Intel Chips With “Vega Inside” Coming Soon?

[LTC8K6]

+dgfx simply means it has a Gen3 X16 PCI-E slot, I think.

 

[Phynaz]

Kaby Lake-G's existence was never denied by anybody, much less debunked. Just saying .
Naturally it might still get cancelled from the roadmap, given how many products is Intel currently re-evaluating and so on. But we'll see in Q2 2017, you'll likely be surprised.

Edit: right, in Q2 2018, sorry for the mistake.

Intel:

the recent rumors that Intel has licensed AMD's graphics technology are untrue

AMD:

We’re not looking at enabling a competitor to compete against our products.

 

[Jan Olšan]

Have you never seen PR departments in action? Stuff that is not ready to be publicly announced is always denied. The first line only talks about licensing and the second one is broad enough to not rule out selling GPU chips to Intel.

In an case, "debunked" has a bit more stronger connotations than "their PR contact didn't admit it exists".

 

[eddman]

I think you are asking the wrong questions. What you should ask is "What does KBL-H + dGFX really mean?".

Is it referring to the NUC itself or the CPU? If it is referring to the CPU, then why call it "dGFX"? Doesn't "d" stand for discrete, as in a separate component from the CPU?

 

[LTC8K6]

I think you are asking the wrong questions. What you should ask is "What does KBL-H + dGFX really mean?".

Is it referring to the NUC itself or the CPU? If it is referring to the CPU, then why call it "dGFX"? Doesn't "d" stand for discrete, as in a separate component?

I think it's a huge stretch to think it means anything other than NUC support for conventional graphics cards.

 

[jpiniero]

I think you are asking the wrong questions. What you should ask is "What does KBL-H + dGFX really mean?".

Is it referring to the NUC itself or the CPU? If it is referring to the CPU, then why call it "dGFX"? Doesn't "d" stand for discrete, as in a separate component from the CPU?

It's a discrete GPU; just that the GPU is in the CPU package. And it's connected via the PCIe link within the package.

 

[eddman]

It's a discrete GPU; just that the GPU is in the CPU package. And it's connected via the PCIe link within the package.

Then it would be called an "On-Package" GPU. I've never seen on-package chips being referred to as discrete. Have I missed any?

EDIT: Besides, we already have KBL-H CPUs and they don't have a second, on-package GPU. Don't you think intel would've called it something else besides H if there was such a thing?

 

[LTC8K6]

I can't imagine that it would ever be called discrete.

 

[Glo.]

If the chips are connected thanks to MCM - there is no licensing. Its simply Vega 11 put together with Intel CPU.

Also: Isn't it strange that the CPUs mentioned in the roadmap are KABY Lake, not Coffee Lake?

 

[Bouowmx]

"dGPU" to mean a discrete (from the CPU) chip on the motherboard, just like in a laptop?

100 W TDP: 45-W CPU + 55-W GPU. 55-75 W seems awfully low for an AMD Radeon RX Vega "32".

 

[jpiniero]

It could be using the now-cancelled 18 W H part.

 

[LTC8K6]

"dGPU" to mean a discrete (from the CPU) chip on the motherboard, just like in a laptop?

100 W TDP: 45-W CPU + 55-W GPU. 55-75 W seems awfully low for an AMD Radeon RX Vega "32".

No, a full fat PCI-E slot.

 

[cbn]

I think it's a huge stretch to think it means anything other than NUC support for conventional graphics cards.

100W CPU with a full fat PCIe x16 slot would be too much for a NUC.

So the 100W total must include the GPU as well.

 

[cbn]

2) why would AMD want to help sell intel CPUs?

3) why would intel want to help sell AMD GPUs?

Remember Nvidia is a competitor to AMD as well.

Though I think this rumored product (if true) is mainly for 15" Apple Mac Book Pro (The 13" is only offered with Intel iGPU) and the 4K 21.5" iMac.

 

[NostaSeronx]

The Chinese rumor mill states it will be "Palo Alto" which is a...

24 CU/1536 ALU @ <1.1 GHz
w/ a single 4 GB HBM2 stack @ <1.5 GHz.

So, essentially RX 660 or RX Vega 24. ~180 mm² to 210 mm²... so 123 mm² (KBL-H) + 210 mm² (RX Vega 24) + 91.99 mm² (HBM2 die)... so about ~430 mm² to ~460 mm².

 

[LTC8K6]

100W CPU with a full fat PCIe x16 slot would be too much for a NUC.

So the 100W total must include the GPU as well.

Not too much for one with that name, Hades Canyon.

 

[PeterScott]

There is no way in heck, that is an Intel Poster. Intel using a play on "Intel Inside" to prominently feature an AMD product? Not in this reality.

That doesn't make the rumor more likely, it makes it less likely.

That might be an AMD poster for Raven Ridge which should be coming soon.

 

[lucidlts]

it has been debunked.

http://www.tech-critter.com/2017/10/alleged-image-of-intel-chip-with-vega.html

it's actually a poster from intel's employee appreciation campaign reported on manifesto agency.

 

[LTC8K6]

This is a zombie rumor.

It just won't die.

Not even when it becomes obvious that "Vega" is the name of an Intel employee.

 

[Jan Olšan]

Heh, that's a pretty nice coincidence, would be even a good troll.
Don't count Kaby Lake-G out just based on that though.

 

[PeterScott]

Heh, that's a pretty nice coincidence, would be even a good troll.
Don't count Kaby Lake-G out just based on that though.

Right. Count it out based on it never making sense in the first place, and on denials from both Intel and AMD.

 

[Phynaz]

Ban for the next person that starts this thread in six months .

 

[Jan Olšan]

Right. Count it out based on it never making sense in the first place, and on denials from both Intel and AMD.

Well, I have no interest in you believing this, so think what you want. I'll just say that this poster that turned out to be a fluke was not the actual evidence for Kaby Lake-G in the first place, so claiming "victory over the rumours" based on it is shortsighted. It was just the impulse for this thread, nothing more, nothing less.
There are three pieces of actual info that say the plan does exist (or used to at least). Out of those, two are public and not "debunked": the BenchLife leak, and the NUC roadmap that matches it.

Anyway, I'm all for dropping this topic and waiting for confirmation next year. In the meantime, something to think about:
Kaby Lake-H has package size 42mm x 28mm, which is the same as the package used for Skylake-H CPUs with GT4 GPU and eDRAM on package (see ARK). Now, acording to BL, the purported Kaby Lake-G chip comes in package size of 58.5 × 31.0 mm. And it is not because of the PCH coming onto the substrate, because there is a note saying "2-chip platform type" (which means it is like current Kaby-H with external PCH).

So, why the big package suddenly? Actually, let's brainstorm, what do you guys think? Should be fun

For the "denials" see my previous opinion.

 

[zinfamous]

I think it's a Chevy Vega, meaning: "Buy one of our absurdly priced monsters, you get a free Vega!"

Seems fair.

 

[Topweasel]

People read way too much into the rumors. The reason Intel reportedly signed a deal with AMD on the graphics had to do with an expiring deal with Nvidia. Intel was late to the graphics market. Not enough IP available for them to create a card that didn't step on Nvidia or AMD's toes. So they signed a deal with Nvidia for some of their patents so they could create their own graphics units. As the deal expired and probably considering how much better AMD's stuff is in compute processes they signed a deal with AMD so they could develop their own stuff.

Intel isn't going to throw a AMD or Nvidia chip onto their hardware nor are either of them are going to give Intel the blueprints to make their own variation. Just the IP to functionality Intel needs to develop their own.