Intel "Coffee Lake" Builders Thread

[TheF34RChannel]

Cool,thanks for the heads up. So what kind of cooling are you using to hit that 5Ghz and what are your temps like? I was thinking of reusing my Hyper 212 evo or am I going to need something more powerful at cooling? I have a Phanteks TC-14-PE in blue but have gut wrenching panic attacks about having something that large and that heavy mounted to such a tiny cpu.
I have seen video's on youtube where all it took was a bump of the case and or moving the case wrong and the weight of the heatsink cracked peoples cpu's. I would literally die if that happened to me.Either that or I would turn into the Incredible Hulk and throw a adult rage tantrum LOL. It wouldn't be pretty I can promise you that..

Personally I wouldn't know why one would pick air over water (leakage chances are minimal) and I would opt for an AIO at least (been using them for years without issues). Better cooling and much less weight.

Hey guys, now when it comes to DDR4 and stuff like 3200 all the way up to 4233 is that only being able to use 2 sticks with those high of speeds or would I be able to use 4 stick and fill up all 4 ram slots? I know Ryzen has an issue with anything past 2933 with 4 stick if Im not mistaken or maybe it was 2666.Any how, I would Love to get like a set of 4x8gb 3600 or 4x4gb 4000 if that is possible?

Just be prepared to adjust the VCCIO and SA voltages and don't expect to click XMP to just work.

 

[PeterScott]

Personally I wouldn't know why one would pick air over water (leakage chances are minimal) and I would opt for an AIO at least (been using them for years without issues). Better cooling and much less weight.

I have no idea why liquid is so popular.

Lower durability/multiple points of failure, pump noise, higher price.

I will never go liquid.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

I have no idea why liquid is so popular.

Lower durability/multiple points of failure, pump noise, higher price.

I will never go liquid.

Form factor, at least for me.
And my Antec AIOs (3x Kuhler 920, 2x Kuhler 620) have been running 24/7/365 for years now.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Hmm, finally got my i3-8100 CFL quad-core CPU, and my ASRock Z370 ITX/ac board built. Used an 8GB dual-channel DDR4-2800 kit from GSkill designed for X99.

Went into UEFI, tried to do an internet flash, said I was on latest firmware.

Tweaked my BLCK as high as it would go, which was UEFI-limited to 102.7.

Strangely, now inside Windows 10 installed and Updated, CPU-Z (newest version which supports CFL), only shows up to a 3.5Ghz Multi, and only goes to 3.59Ghz. Which, on the box, printed, it goes up to 3.6, and according to the UEFI's display, I should be hitting nearly 3.7Ghz with the BLCK boost.

Unless there's microcode, or UEFI firmware, that lowers your multi, when you're boosting the BLCK? So you can't effectively even boost your BLCK 3%, as used to be allowed? Sucks.

Edit: Re-booted, went into UEFI, loaded Defaults, and then saved and exited into Window 10, now CPU-Z is showing the 36 multi. Arg.

 

[Crono]

Yeah, same issue (same mobo). I'm happy enough with 4.3GHz across all 6 cores, but it would have been nice if BCLK overclock worked with turbo.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I don't even have a Turbo mode, being an i3. But it seems that if you adjust BLCK upwards, you lose multiplier to compensate, such that overall, you can't overclock AT ALL.

Poor show, Intel, poor show.

 

[Burpo]

Gotta love all the people that buy locked CPU's, and then when they won't overclock, complain & grumble about the manufacturer.. smh

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yeah but at 3.6Ghz on that i3 it should be efficient enough with the ipc gain for pretty much anything right?Like slightly matching a r3 1200 overclocked to 4.0GHz? Could always send it back and try the 8350k. Looks like they are pretty regularly doing 5.2-5.4Ghz from the video's I have seen so far on youtube. Perhaps I should grab one till the 8700k's come back in stock?Then that would give me a back up as well incase something happens to my 8700k? Or would that be a stupid waste of money?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah but at 3.6Ghz on that i3 it should be efficient enough with the ipc gain for pretty much anything right?Like slightly matching a r3 1200 overclocked to 4.0GHz? Could always send it back and try the 8350k. Looks like they are pretty regularly doing 5.2-5.4Ghz from the video's I have seen so far on youtube. Perhaps I should grab one till the 8700k's come back in stock?Then that would give me a back up as well incase something happens to my 8700k? Or would that be a stupid waste of money?

Well, this i3-8100 does feel a tad more sluggish than my Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.8, but there are some important differences between the two, the Ryzen 3 is using a dGPU, rather than an iGPU, and runs the monitor at 60Hz, not 30Hz. Although, this Z370 ITX/ac mobo does support DisplayPort, so I could get another Club3D DP-to-HDMI2.0 adapter and use that for 4K60.

Plus, just installed Windows 10 a few hours ago, it might still be doing stuff in the background, although CPU is at 5%, and disk is at 0%.

Yeah, even without Windows 10 doing much, it just feels ... slightly sluggish? Maybe it's the M.2 PCI-E SSD? I re-used a Samsung SM951 128GB, which was performing quite well before, it had a Windows 7 install on it, I booted my Win10 USB, ran DISKPART and ran a CLEAN on the SSD, then allowed Windows 10 to do the automatic partitioning / formatting. I assume it ran a TRIM pass over the SSD, but maybe it didn't?

I guess, I'm less than impressed performance-wise, even compared to my Ryzen 5 1600 CPUs running at 55-60% CPU load, while browsing. There were some slowdowns during installation too. Lack of HT hurts, here, I think.

Basically, it feels pretty-much like a locked KBL quad. Nothing that special, but ... the CPU was only $110 for me (After $10 off coupon). So that was nice, although I still prefer my Ryzen 3 1200 OCed box, but again, it has a dGPU, and a newer M.2 PCI-E SSD.

Edit: Haven't installed chipset drivers yet. How did I get my font stuck in subscript.

Edit: Forgot to install uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger, now it's gained some speed reloading the forum page. Maybe half a second.

Edit: I had reset to UEFI defaults, to get my 36 multi back, and it showed my XMP RAM speeds (2800), but apparently, I had to both enable XMP Profile 1, and then select DRAM CLOCK 2800.

Now it seems slightly snappier, now that my DDR4 is running at 2800, rather than the rather sluggish 2133.

Edit: CPU-Z MT @ 2800 DRAM clock, is pushing 1700 now. And it does seem slightly faster. ST is 433.5. Which might be a hair faster than my Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.8Ghz rig. Have to dig it out again, and compare with some screenshots.

 

[Crono]

Gotta love all the people that buy locked CPU's, and then when they won't overclock, complain & grumble about the manufacturer.. smh

No worse than people complaining about Intel's TIM, which they've used for years instead of solder. Bottom line is you shouldn't expect what you aren't promised, yet we hope.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, about the overclock, the CPU wasn't advertised as overclockable, true, but the motherboard WAS. And prior-generation CPUs, even locked ones, had a 3% leeway on BLCK OC. So, it seems that with CFL, Intel took that way, locking this platform down pretty-much completely. (OK, I think that I can still use XMP RAM with locked CPUs, with a Z370 chipset.)

 

[crashtech]

I have no idea why liquid is so popular.

Lower durability/multiple points of failure, pump noise, higher price.

I will never go liquid.

It's popular because it's highly effective, with the larger units having far more surface area for cooling than high-end air coolers, without the worry of excess weight on the motherboard. My Corsair H110 has been trouble-free for almost exactly three years so far; while not exactly a long-term test, I'm satisfied that the unit is reliable and also makes CPU swaps very easy. I change motherboards and CPUs like I change socks, so that matters. In all, my own experience with big AIO liquid cooling has been extremely positive, as it tends to remove thermals as a limit to OCing no matter what CPU is under the waterblock. As a respectful counterpoint to your opinion, I see no reason to go back to air, when very high performing AIOs are available for reasonable prices.

 

[TahoeDust]

I don't think there is an air cooler that can outperform my AIO setup. If there is one, it would have to be gigantic.

 

[PeterScott]

As a respectful counterpoint to your opinion, I see no reason to go back to air, when very high performing AIOs are available for reasonable prices.

If you look at my reply it was a counterpoint to someone saying "I wouldn't know why one would pick air".

So I was being a bit facetious in response to such an extreme position. Though I do prefer air for most of the stated reasons.

Unless you need extreme heat removal, you can usually do it on Air cheaper, more reliably and quieter.

If we are trading anecdotes, My $30 Air Cooler has been OC'ing my C2Q to 3.2GHz for nearly 10 years (usually 24 hours/day). Heat pipes basically last forever.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Larry, after you get all your drivers installed and do the Windows updates could you try running a few benchies against your R3 just for comparison sake. I just watched a few video's where they over clocked the r3 1200 to 4.0GHz and it looks like its matching or even beating the i3 8100 within a 1-2% difference and I just want to know if this is real or not.
Here is the link to the video so you guys dont think I crazy LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnADhTqytLE
Also this is not a who's better, its a which is really better for me between these two since you happen to own both.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, that video sounds accurate, from my understanding.

Edit: I don't really feel like running extensive benchmarks tonight / this morning, but CPU-Z gives me 1684.4 MT score on their benchmark, and I definitely remember my Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.80Ghz, hitting 1700+. ST is 431.1 for i3-8100, which is in the ballpark of what the OCed Ryzen was. (Yes, Intel has higher IPC, but in this comparison, the Intel is 3.6Ghz, the Ryzen is 3.8Ghz, effectively equalling them out again.)

Edit: That was with my DDR4 @ 2133.

With it properly set @ 2800, MT is 1699.7 (was occasionally over 1700 during the benchmark run), and ST is 433.5.

 

[PeterScott]

Larry, after you get all your drivers installed and do the Windows updates could you try running a few benchies against your R3 just for comparison sake. I just watched a few video's where they over clocked the r3 1200 to 4.0GHz and it looks like its matching or even beating the i3 8100 within a 1-2% difference and I just want to know if this is real or not.
Here is the link to the video so you guys dont think I crazy LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnADhTqytLE
Also this is not a who's better, its a which is really better for me between these two since you happen to own both.

That looks like a tie to me, remember a lot of the early productivity tests are in seconds, lower is better, i3 takes most of those, despite the clock speed deficit, and cache deficit. Surprised the Ryzen takes as many as the game tests as it does.

 

[phillyman36]

Someone from another forum(Overclock) preordered an i7 8700k yesterday from Newegg.ca. He had a ship time of 1-2 days. Its already shipped. Insert my angry face here. Anyone have a pre order from any store and had theirs shipped this week yet? Quoted below from the thread

Picked up an i7-8700k and Maximus X Hero from Newegg.ca yesterday. Preorder opened up for a brief window and I was able to backorder one, with a quoted shipment time of 1-2 days. I've been charged for it and I imagine it'll ship tomorrow.

And I paid the equivalent of $385US for it ($480 CDN)

Edit: Correction: Newegg.ca just emailed me tracking...it's already shipped...

 

[Slappi]

Someone from another forum(Overclock) preordered an i7 8700k yesterday from Newegg.ca. He had a ship time of 1-2 days. Its already shipped. Insert my angry face here. Anyone have a pre order from any store and had theirs shipped this week yet? Quoted below from the thread

Picked up an i7-8700k and Maximus X Hero from Newegg.ca yesterday. Preorder opened up for a brief window and I was able to backorder one, with a quoted shipment time of 1-2 days. I've been charged for it and I imagine it'll ship tomorrow.

And I paid the equivalent of $385US for it ($480 CDN)

Edit: Correction: Newegg.ca just emailed me tracking...it's already shipped...

That's just wrong. I don't like how Newegg is handling this launch. They should offer all backorders combos first.

Actually they should fill all backorders before they sell new combos!!! Might just move most of my purchases somewhere else.

 

[LTC8K6]

ShopBLT has an ETA of 10/26 for the 6 core and 11/2 for the 4 core coffee lake chips.

http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=723546900&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=coffee+lake&search=Search

 

[VirtualLarry]

ShopBLT has an ETA of 10/26 for the 6 core and 11/2 for the 4 core coffee lake chips.

Are the 4-core CFL CPUs scarce too? Seems strange, since they seem to be re-branded KBL dies. (Due to lower DRAM max clock rating, and same capacitor layout for the core.)

 

[LTC8K6]

Are the 4-core CFL CPUs scarce too? Seems strange, since they seem to be re-branded KBL dies. (Due to lower DRAM max clock rating, and same capacitor layout for the core.)

Seems like it. Newegg has a 1 per customer limit on them.

I finally saw the i5-8400 available on Amazon, so I just ordered one to play with.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I don't even have a Turbo mode, being an i3. But it seems that if you adjust BLCK upwards, you lose multiplier to compensate, such that overall, you can't overclock AT ALL.

Poor show, Intel, poor show.

If you wanted to overclock you should have paid extra for an 8350K or gone with an alternative brand of processor. Intel sold you a locked processor and told you the specs of the chip ahead of time. Seems a little strange to go on a computer forum to complain about getting exactly what you paid for.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Are the 4-core CFL CPUs scarce too? Seems strange, since they seem to be re-branded KBL dies. (Due to lower DRAM max clock rating, and same capacitor layout for the core.)

They aren’t rebranded KBL dies. They are Coffee Lake chips.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

To the hero owners: please say that I am wrong when I see no internal USB 2.0 header near the 24 pin? If I'm forced to get the hero I need that header.