Intel "Coffee Lake" Builders Thread

[Arachnotronic]

I'm aware of that, it's for mining when I'm not gaming (may substitute with Vega 56/64, but it depends on what is actually in stock and reasonably priced).

It's unforunate, but both AMD and Nvidia have decided to pull back on multi-GPU, so it definitely wouldn't be worth it just for gaming.

Multi-GPU is being pulled back on because game devs keep implementing algorithms with inter-frame dependencies. Although DX12/Vulkan should, in theory, allow developers to take advantage of multiple GPUs by breaking away from AFR techniques, the market for multi-GPU is so small that game devs just won't see the potential ROI in coding explicitly for multi-GPU.

Hate to say it, but multi-GPU is dead.

The main use case now for multiple PCIe lanes in gaming PCs will be PCIe SSDs.

 

[DooKey]

No problem, perhaps the mods can clean this thread, including all of my irrelevant posts?

I asked for that yesterday and it didn't happen. Don't hold your breath.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm a hardware enthusiast and I'm not wooed by lower IPC at the expense of cores. I'm not running a server. 8700k is the first hex core processor on the market that will be the best at everything single\dual\q\hex.

I think it's good that Intel is binning aggressively. Most of us overclock, but ideally, chipmakers would bin their enthusiast silicon to run at pretty much the maximum that it can handle out of the box. No muss, no fuss.

 

[Markfw]

I am not going to clean the thread, as its good to know that those claims are not valid. I will not pursue this further

AND I HOPE EVERYONE ELSE GETS THE MESSAGE, A LITTLE IS OK, BUT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

THIS IS CLOSED, DROP IT. A (The issue of IPC)

Please continue normally.

 

[VirtualLarry]

It's so hard to decide between saving money with the i3-8100, but not being allowed to OC, versus spending the extra, on an i3-8350K, and hopefully being able to push it to 5Ghz, with adequate cooling. I mean, since you have to shell out for a Z370 board anyways, why not make the most of it (within reasonable budget limits), that you can?

This would be made easier, if there were an H310, H370, or B350i (my nickname for Intel B350, maybe they should change it to B370) board, preferably ITX. I could deal with an locked i3 4C/4T on an ITX board, with an H370 or B350i chipset, with an M.2 PCI-E socket, for a nice speedy little HTPC.

 

[Glo.]

The boards that are not based on Z370 will come early 2018. January, perhaps?

 

[VirtualLarry]

If that's the case, do you think that Intel will do a staggered release, and only release the "K" SKUs, with the Z370 chipset, and hold back on releasing the (cheaper) locked SKUs, until they can get more business-oriented chipsets out?

Do you think business middle-managers shudder at buying a new Intel CPU-based PC, only to find out that it's based on an "overclocking chipset"?

Do you think that Intel will even do an OEM PC rollout of 8th-gen Desktop Core, without the non-Z chipsets out yet?

 

[Glo.]

If that's the case, do you think that Intel will do a staggered release, and only release the "K" SKUs, with the Z370 chipset, and hold back on releasing the (cheaper) locked SKUs, until they can get more business-oriented chipsets out? Do you think business middle-managers shudder at buying a new Intel CPU-based PC, only to find out that it's based on an "overclocking chipset"?

Funnily enough, as we were talking about:

https://videocardz.com/73045/intel-to-launch-b360-h370-and-h310-chipsets-in-q12018

 

[Arachnotronic]

The boards that are not based on Z370 will come early 2018. January, perhaps?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

In any case, the point is moot; the 8700k runs at a default single-thread turbo of 4.7GHZ!!!

Chuck it in a Gigabyte or Asus board and it'll set 4.7GHz on all cores for you automatically

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I don't need many components for my upgrade:

Intel i7-8700K
Asus Maximus X Hero/Code (depends on release dates but I'm almost hell-bent on the Code)
G.Skill Trident-Z xxxxMHz 2x8GB (undecided which frequency to get*)


*https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/17...rs.net&utm_source=tweakers.net&utm_medium=cpc FFS that price!! finding it very difficult to find either black + black or gray + black Trident-Z at decent speeds (white insets won't look pretty imo). I might look at HyperX Predator as well, if they do high freq (Edit: 3600 max sigh)

 

[Zucker2k]

I don't need many components for my upgrade:

Intel i7-8700K
Asus Maximus X Hero/Code (depends on release dates but I'm almost hell-bent on the Code)
G.Skill Trident-Z xxxxMHz 2x8GB (undecided which frequency to get*)


*https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/17...rs.net&utm_source=tweakers.net&utm_medium=cpc FFS that price!! finding it very difficult to find either black + black or gray + black Trident-Z at decent speeds (white insets won't look pretty imo). I might look at HyperX Predator as well, if they do high freq

CL 19? Look for CL 16 3600 and give it 1.4; see how far it takes you. Or is that combo even pricier? Asus' internal tests indicate the Z370 is overclocking mem chips pasts 4000Mhz with 4 slots fully populated. They reached 5500Mhz+ according to their Formula X promo slide. Crazy.

Edit: http://wccftech.com/review/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-3600-mhz-ddr4-memory-kit-review/
Edit2: https://www.memoryc.com/19466-16gb-...16-16-16-36-1-35v-dual-channel-kit-2x8gb.html

 

[TheF34RChannel]

CL 19? Look for CL 16 3600 and give it 1.4; see how far it takes you. Or is that combo even pricier? Asus' internal tests indicate the Z370 is overclocking mem chips pasts 4000Mhz with 4 slots fully populated. They reached 5500Mhz+ according to their Formula X promo slide. Crazy.

Edit: http://wccftech.com/review/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-3600-mhz-ddr4-memory-kit-review/
Edit2: https://www.memoryc.com/19466-16gb-...16-16-16-36-1-35v-dual-channel-kit-2x8gb.html

That's the thing, I don't want to play with RAM whatsoever; I want to either set XMP or enter the specified values manually but that's it. I've got the feeling these high-end Maximus board will allow me to do that with 4133 or 4400MHz RAM. Only the latter comes in black/black though.

Edit: I just cannot find the right coloured Trident Z at decent speeds unless I pay that eye-watering 325 Euro, not sure what I'm going to do now - I'm at a loss really.

 

[ozzy702]

RAM is really what's up in the air for me. I want to run 16gb of whatever will feed an 8700k the best for under $250 and preferably close to $200. Leaning towards the 3600 cas15 set. Thoughts?



https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232306


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232437

 

[TheF34RChannel]

RAM is really what's up in the air for me. I want to run 16gb of whatever will feed an 8700k the best for under $250 and preferably close to $200. Leaning towards the 3600 cas15 set. Thoughts?



https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232306


https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232437

Get this on Newegg instead (frequency over latency):
F4-4400C19D-16GTZKK

 

[TheF34RChannel]

From the Asus website:

DDR4 OC 4133MHz+
ASUS OptiMem preserves memory signal integrity by routing memory traces and vias to the optimal PCB layer, and our T-Topology layout ensures time-aligned signaling by balancing trace lengths between memory slots. These enhancements lead to more headroom for overclocking and improved stability, allowing memory speeds of DDR4-4133 and beyond with all slots populated.

Red underlined: eh what? Surely we can do that with 2 slots, or am I misinterpreting what it says?

 

[Zucker2k]

From the Asus website:

DDR4 OC 4133MHz+
ASUS OptiMem preserves memory signal integrity by routing memory traces and vias to the optimal PCB layer, and our T-Topology layout ensures time-aligned signaling by balancing trace lengths between memory slots. These enhancements lead to more headroom for overclocking and improved stability, allowing memory speeds of DDR4-4133 and beyond with all slots populated.

Red underlined: eh what? Surely we can do that with 2 slots, or am I misinterpreting what it says?

That's 4 slots.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

That's 4 slots.

That's not what I mean; they write it like it says you can only do 4133+ by using 4 slots and not 2. And that can't be right so I must have read it wrong.

 

[Crono]

That's not what I mean; they write it like it says you can only do 4133+ by using 4 slots and not 2. And that can't be right so I must have read it wrong.

I think it's just their wording, meaning that you can run at up to those speeds even with all slots populated, not that it couldn't with less.

I remember at launch of Ryzen (and Skylake before that, if I recall correctly) you couldn't do full speed with quad-channel, so I think they are emphasizing here that it's already supported/tested to allay the concerns of potential customers.

 

[RichUK]

Delided 8700k and Apex Z370 for me.

 

[crashtech]

That's not what I mean; they write it like it says you can only do 4133+ by using 4 slots and not 2. And that can't be right so I must have read it wrong.

Should have read:

...allowing memory speeds of DDR4-4133 and beyond even with all slots populated.

 

[ozzy702]

Should have read:

...allowing memory speeds of DDR4-4133 and beyond even with all slots populated.

Spot on, which to me is pretty darned impressive. Some games love fast memory so it will be interesting to see what the 8700k can pull with these insanely high clocked memory sets.

 

[crashtech]

Spot on, which to me is pretty darned impressive. Some games love fast memory so it will be interesting to see what the 8700k can pull with these insanely high clocked memory sets.

Yeah, it sounds bad*ss to me. I hope ASRock offers something similar because they have been my go-to lately.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I'm curious which memory you all are getting?

Did some more searching today and I'm still without options. (I'm not paying 324 euro for a 16GB kit)

Why can't G.Skill make every spreader type available for every kit? I just don't think that white bars look good on the Maximus boards, and then there are very few kits for sale in my country. It's doing my head in!

 

[ozzy702]

I'm curious which memory you all are getting? Did some more searching today and I'm still without options. (I'm not paying 324 euro for a 16GB kit)

Thoughts?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232471&ignorebbr=1