Why are you ignoring the fact that the 10900k could easily consume ~210W or more without even being overclocked? Pushing that much power through a single socket requires serious cooling. The last company to try selling such a desktop CPU in a consumer (read: non-HEDT) socket was pilloried for its ridiculous power consumption, especially when it was not the fastest CPU on the market.
I am not
I am just saying my own setup
gaming it will consume like 120W with occasional spikes
handbraking I would change the power profile - underlock/undervolt and be on the optimal perf/whole system power curve
Of course I am. We're not discussing the platform or "bottlenecks", we're talking about the serious issue of a consumer CPU requiring an AiO minimum without even being overclocked. Since when was that a good idea?
well that is the translation of the cinebench winners
MT is overrated for desktop
are we seriously talking home gaming top system to be challenged as workhorse?
10900K isn't a competitor to 3900X
understand why Intel makes money while AMD does have better product..because it doesn't always have
Intel created the AVX2 instruction set, and the 10900k will be the fastest consumer desktop CPU in AVX2 workloads that Intel has ever released. How is this CPU not designed for MT workloads using the best SIMD Intel has to offer in the consumer desktop space?
sure its good
and why should I pull a truck with full throttle porsche 911 when I don't need to
I'm sorry, but if all you're doing is calculating how much heat air can pick up given a set delta between inlet and outlet temperature without approaching heat transfer equations, then we aren't having a real discussion about the limitations of HSFs.
exactly
that is my experience
ppl buying top notch air cooler while forgeting about the air....
And we haven't even dealt with the issue of heatpipe efficiency or limitations (see my last post). The job of heatpipes is to deliver heat to fins, and that's a very complicated job indeed. Usually this stuff is easier to handle via numerical analysis. It's still not a walk in the park though.
for me it is, I am doing CFD...walk in the park is not when your system has a chemical reaction, especially with phase change
but that is not the discussion for here
There are some HSFs on the market that can handle heat flux of ~250-300W. Can you guess which platform hosts those heatsinks, and why they work? Don't assume that "no air can help you". Ultimately all cooling is air cooling . . . eventually. Unless you're using a heatsink/radiator buried in the ground or something.
sure they can when the air meets the criteria, again which many ppl forget
water just transfers the heat outside the case and it solves the situation
Say what? Wraith Prism will support stock operation of a 3900x. Itwill run hot and not OC as well as a $1000 custom water cooling solution, but if all you want is stock operation, it works.
it doesn;'t, sorry high 80s and low90s isn't working
the heat flow density of 3900X is just too high
there is only 0/1 decision, either you buy 3rd party cooler or you don't
I'm calling shens. I owned and used one, and pimped it out to the fullest extent possible. Well okay I didn't put 3 IndustrialPPC fans on it, which would have been ridiculous (and would possibly have interfered with RAM). A stock NH-D15 is good for maybe 160-180W. The only air cooler I can think of for LGA1151 or the upcoming LGA1200 (which should support all the same coolers as LGA1151) that could cool such a heat load would be that IceGiant thermosiphon. Those aren't even on the market yet that I know of.
I have one and imo it will cool even 250W, when the flow outside is in balance and the CPU surface is "big enough", which with less nm becomes impossible
Now you're on to something.
Since when did I say anything about system power? I have repeatedly stated that the issue at hand is the amount of heat that will be dissipated by the 10900k CPU package.
I am rreferring to the misconception of power consumption
Power means system power not CPU power
CPU power is only important if you can't cool it while! doing your designed job
CPU package power of 10900K will be 130W imo while gaming
that is the primary job
muscle car
not everyone is happy winning the cinebenech internetz with 550 EUR CPU with benchmarking 4K EUR SW lincense, as I said If I need a truck I have one
. . . that have separate apparatuses for cooling that can be addressed individually. And that should not serve as a distraction from the fact that Intel is going to sell a chip that can dissipate over 200W out-of-the-box!
sure It can
and be the stupids that push it there
we are here on anandtech forums
who the f. will buy here the 10900K as workhorse? when 3950x is out, when TR3x is out
I wouldn't even bother looking for 10900K when considering rendering or MT stuff like primary usage
Intel releases TDP/PL1/PL2 design documents that have almost no resemblance to CPU behavior in "real world" implementations of Intel's consumer desktop platform.
that is THE translation
the so called productivity pretenders are saying the max power output but are not considering the use case
I can configure my i5 6600K to consume 150W and then translate that 4c/4t with that power is so low
don't get me wrong, current Intel implementation for the average Joe lead to 200W+, but we are not avrage Joes here
Again, that's blatantly false. That Intel can't produce a better "worker" on their consumer desktop platform is Intel's fault . . . not the fact that it's a "muscle sprint car".
ok
I think your statement is a reflection of the current situation here on the tech forums
the result will tell us, not otherwise