Intel Comet Lake Thread

[IntelUser2000]

So much for customer preference...

No, I don't mean "customers" like vendors, but buyers.

Are they going to hobble Icelake in purpose to sell Comet Lake?

 

[jpiniero]

Are they going to hobble Icelake in purpose to sell Comet Lake?

No.. well the DC Icelake might be hobbled. They will need to be loose with the Icelake binning which will hurt things.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Intel does a lot to avoid cannibalizing between product lines.

It happened before. An older generation product that came at the same time as newer generation one either gets cancelled or gets phased out very quickly. It's because if you have a newer and much better chip, why would you get anything else?

I think the last time similar dilemma happened was when rumors of Broadwell-C were surfacing. Broadwell-C was a 65W part that clocked far lower than Skylake that launched mere months later.

 

[jpiniero]

why would you get anything else?

The supply is going to be so low of Icelake that it won't be a problem.

 

[jpiniero]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/12219578?baseline=13573931

i5 10210U spotted in Geekbench. Does boost to 4.2 but score seems to be hampered by slow memory. There's also a bunch of the 10510U but those are even slower.

 

[jpiniero]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13476245?baseline=13771941

New Geekbench score of the 10510U. Manages to beat the fastest Icelake score on there in some of the tests despite the big memory bandwidth difference, largely thanks to the frequencies (max 4.8, averages 4.6)

 

[jpiniero]

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1562994612.A.4A3.html

Suggests that Intel is also going to introduce 65W H models, to go with the 125W S (K) models. It's getting pretty toasty.

They also make a good point that it could be an orphaned socket if Rocket Lake ends up using an updated core due to the FIVR.

 

[DrMrLordX]

They also make a good point that it could be an orphaned socket if Rocket Lake ends up using an updated core due to the FIVR.

Hmm, interesting possibility. IceLake uses FIVR, does it not? If Rocket Lake is primarily going to be aimed at mobile chips (I think it shows up in the mobile sector first?) then it may use the same PCH as IceLake. They could make a different PCH for Rocket Lake-S though, couldn't they? To avoid FIVR on desktop and extend the life of LGA1200?

 

[jpiniero]

If Rocket Lake is primarily going to be aimed at mobile chips (I think it shows up in the mobile sector first?)

Comet Lake is the same deal - it's going to be released soon for mobile.

They could make a different PCH for Rocket Lake-S though, couldn't they? To avoid FIVR on desktop and extend the life of LGA1200?

I think it's more of a power delivery issue to the socket more than anything else.

 

[jpiniero]

Checking out the 6 core 10710U, I noticed that it is using a different identifier (Model 166 Stepping 0) than the quad core Comet Lake U (Model 142 Stepping 12, which is the same as Whiskey Lake Refresh). I guess I wouldn't put it past Intel to sell both 166S0 and 142S12 for the Quads, although the only difference might be the hardware fix for Spectre 3a, as opposed to MCU like 142S12 and not the patch for LPDDR4 which is coming.

 

[A///]

Any recent rumors on a 10 core part for desktop as a k processor?

 

[jpiniero]

Any recent rumors on a 10 core part for desktop as a k processor?

Nothing recent. Still not coming out until next year.

 

[A///]

Nothing recent. Still not coming out until next year.

11th gen assuming 10th gen parts are coming out this fall?

 

[jpiniero]

11th gen assuming 10th gen parts are coming out this fall?

Nope. Seems like the only thing else that will be released this year for mainstream desktop is the 9900KS. My guess is that Intel is ending the 'early release of K parts' and you will see the entire lineup launched together in March.

Intel is still intending to release Cascade Lake-X btw, seems like that will be in October.

 

[aigomorla]

CLX-X better be spectacular, or my current cpu will be the last enthusiast intel cpu i end up buying, as i feel the gamer (K series) line is way more cost efficient and over all better.

 

[TheGiant]

CLX-X better be spectacular, or my current cpu will be the last enthusiast intel cpu i end up buying, as i feel the gamer (K series) line is way more cost efficient and over all better.

cascade lake x is another upgraded version of skylake x IMO
dont expect anything than more of the same
this space became occupied by 3900X, not much left except you desperately need that pci-e lanes

 

[DrMrLordX]

Hmm, wonder how many cores Intel will sell with Cascade Lake-X? That 28c Xeon W was a bit much, even for HEDT buyers.

@TheGiant

3950X will pose bigger problems for Cascade Lake-X than 3900x.

 

[TheGiant]

Hmm, wonder how many cores Intel will sell with Cascade Lake-X? That 28c Xeon W was a bit much, even for HEDT buyers.

@TheGiant

3950X will pose bigger problems for Cascade Lake-X than 3900x.

3900x obsoleted or became close to eveything except 16 and 18c skylake x refresh
I dont agree hedt is just moar coarz and the new should be 32c +
AMD fired lots of bullets with 12c 3900x, the market needs to adjust to it
We will see lots of bloatware in next few years to occupy the free threads just because they are free

 

[jpiniero]

Hmm, wonder how many cores Intel will sell with Cascade Lake-X? That 28c Xeon W was a bit much, even for HEDT buyers.

It's 18 max.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I dont agree hedt is just moar coarz and the new should be 32c +

Unless the clocks are really low, nobody will be able to cool 28c chips (or 32c chips). See

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...n-w-3175x-processor-38-5m-cache-3-10-ghz.html

Cooling one of those is ugly enough as it is.

It's 18 max.

Not surprised.

 

[aigomorla]

3900x obsoleted or became close to eveything

my delidded 4.8ghz 7920x would raise its hand and say "excuse me"...
It also being a HEDT processor.

And I have one of these guys coming in to see if i can hit that 5ghz on all 12c @ under 1.3vcore, by removing the IHS spreader all entirely.

which puts intel processors in an entirely different league once that 5ghz wall is shattered on all cores, which is not easy to do on all cores, unless we talking about 7700k, 7740X, 8700k and a couple others without the use of exotic cooling. Well there is the mythological 9900KS which is supposed to do that out of the box.

Also lets keep this thread to Intel only please.
AMD is that way ------> 2 doors to the left.

Hmm, wonder how many cores Intel will sell with Cascade Lake-X? That 28c Xeon W was a bit much, even for HEDT buyers.

Nah that was intel just being stupid and trying to win the core wars by cheating.
First off, i cant think of anyone realistically that would buy a processor with that many cores and overclock it.
Second i cant think of anyone that would anyone period that would run the dual cascade chilled liquid cooling to keep it at its clock 24/7.
Third Intel just desperately wanted to win the core wars with a number unattainable by AMD, which to me is seriously just (insert Picard Facepalm Meme Here).

Realistically HEDT owners went 7920x, 7940x, 7960x, while the more extreme people went 7980x and went URK cant cool this thing without delidding it.

 

[Markfw]

my delidded 4.8ghz 7920x would raise its hand and say "excuse me"...
It also being a HEDT processor.

Nah that was intel just being stupid and trying to win the core wars by cheating.
First off, i cant think of anyone realistically that would buy a processor with that many cores and overclock it.
Second i cant think of anyone that would anyone period that would run the dual cascade chilled liquid cooling to keep it at its clock 24/7.
Third Intel just desperately wanted to win the core wars with a number unattainable by AMD, which to me is seriously just (insert Picard Facepalm Meme Here).

Realistically HEDT owners went 7920x, 7940x, 7960x, while the more extreme people went 7980x and went URK cant cool this thing without delidding it.

Wait a minute....... You HELPED me overclock my 32 core 2990wx to 3.8 (it will do 4 ghz, but, too much heat and power).

And 12 cores@ $1100 ? max turbo 4.3 ? vs $500 max turbo 4.6 ? Thats why he was discounting anything Intel has.

Now back to Intel.......

 

[aigomorla]

Wait a minute....... You HELPED me overclock my 32 core 2990wx to 3.8 (it will do 4 ghz, but, too much heat and power)

Now back to Intel.......

And it costed you almost as much as your CPU to cool the thing as it did.
Well speaking on that note in my statement, intel wanted 5ghz.
Assumming 5ghz on your processor
Not many people i can say well within the 1% margin that is willing to buy a 4 digit price tag just on cooling solution just to overclock it to 5ghz. (both Intel and AMD), and also fork over the electricity bill just on cooling to keep it.

 

[Markfw]

And it costed you almost as much as your CPU to cool the thing as it did.
Well speaking on that note in my statement, intel wanted 5ghz.
Assumming 5ghz on your processor
Not many people i can say well within the 1% margin that is willing to buy a 4 digit price tag just on cooling solution just to overclock it to 5ghz. (both Intel and AMD), and also fork over the electricity bill just on cooling to keep it.

I hate to keep being OT, but I paid $1800 for the processor, and $600 to overclock it to 3.8.

I will shut up now, sorry.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I hate to keep being OT, but I paid $1800 for the processor, and $600 to overclock it to 3.8.

Remember, aigo is talking about the Xeon W3175 specifically. It may "only" have 28c, but it's power profile is actually pretty bad compared to the 2990WX. Remember the 28c demo gave where they had to use a 1-2kw chiller just to get the thing to 5 GHz? And they didn't tell ths press?

It's more-or-less that chip.

Are you crazy enough to try overclocking one of those fireballs? If the answer is, "no", then congratulations. You pass the sanity test. OCing a 2990WX to 4 GHz (or less) is pretty pedestrian and sane compared to the W3175, despite the 2990WX having four more cores. Similarly, it's unlikely that Intel would try schlepping the W3175 (or something similar) to the HEDT space when their 18c offerings are already borderline. Hopefully Cascade Lake-X will offer an 18c that is a bit easier to manage. For Intel's sake.