Intel: complete year in review 2017

witeken

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Intel: complete year in review 2017

This year has been a very interesting one.

Intel had to combat AMD with its Ryzen, Threadripper and Mobile CPUs. They launched Kaby Lake-S in January, but in October already we got Coffee Lake-S. Intel, or so it goes (they themselves claim they upped their X-series after the success of 10-core BDW-X), got caught off-guard with Threadripper and made the MCC die available to consumers with Skylake-X, going from 10-core to 18-core in 1 generation. Kaby Lake-R launched well before Ryzen Mobile and doubled the amount of cores for 15W SKUs.

They had to witness how Nvidia preemptively made its GPUs more ASIC-like by adding Tensor cores, increasing performance by over 3x compared to the FP16 units, making the advancement that Nervana will bring with its dedicated NNP (neural network processor) on 28nm significantly less impressive. However, both Lake Crest as well as the last Knights many-core member, Knights Mill, are on their way to the market now as of December. Also in December, Gemini Lake launched with the updated Goldmont Plus core.

Further, they saw both AMD and Qualcomm violently attack Intel’s highest margin, highest ASP CPU business, the data center, with Epic and Centriq. Contrary to both SKUs, though, Intel launched its significant Skylake SP (scalable processor) upgrade, although it lacks a few of the features Intel originally had on the roadmap for Purley in 2015 (namely Cannonlake dGPU, 3DXP DIMMs and the integrated FPGA).

Xilinx this year also had the 16/14nm node for itself. Intel’s Stratix 10, and the first product with EMIB, launched in Q4. Variants includes FPGAs with Cortex A53s; HBM2 and faster transceivers and other SKUs will follow in 2018. The disclosed initial Falcon Mesa 10nm FPGA details, which has been in development in parallel with Stratix 10 since Altera got acquired in 2015 – utilizing Intel’s bigger resources to accelerate the 10nm timing. Falcon Mesa will sample in 2018. It will have 112G transceivers, HBM3 and EMIB2.

In a significant milestone, Intel was the first in the industry to ramp 64-layer 3D NAND mid-year.

Intel made itself a serious player in automotive with the high profile March Mobileye acquisition which finished in August. They plan to get 100 vehicles on the roads, and announced their Go end-to-end platform at CES in January.

Also in March, Intel started rolling out its new 3D XPoint memory architecture. It started with 16/32GB cards to accelerate HDDs and a bigger enterprise drive (with capacity of 1.5TB now available), with the mainstream Optane 900P SSD in October. The 3D XPoint DIMMs will follow in H2’18 with Cascade Lake, almost 1.5 years after the SSDs.

In the last few months of the year, a number of other significant announcements followed.

Intel made public its Loihi neuromorphic chip, built on 14nm and going into production next year.

They made a 17 qubit superconductor chip for quantum computing.

They announced their wireless roadmap through 2018, with gigabit Wi-Fi coming, XMM 7560 next year with CDMA built on 14nm and XMM 7660 in 2019 with up to 1.6Gbps – potentially finally catching up to Qualcomm. For 5G they announced the XMM 8080 for mid-2019. Both 2019 chips are rumored to be built on 10nm.

Just as significantly, Intel announced in big week for the graphics industry in November that they had hired Raja Koduri from AMD and are planning to enter the discrete GPU market. I feel obliged to re-iterate that Intel will NOT use their GPUs for deep learning applications – that’s the domain of the Nervana NNP. GPUs are not made for deep learning. Coupled with this was the first instantiation of Intel’s renewed focus on graphics, the collab with AMD for Kaby-G. You can also see Kaby-G as test case for EMIB.

I’d expect the first discrete GPU from Intel to be 10nm Gen10 or Gen11-based in early 2019.

Intel’s Movidius launched the Myriad X VPU (vision processing unit) for AI (inference) at the IoT edge with 1 TOPS (4 TOPS total), and a few devices with the Myriad 2 launched (Google Clips).

Last, but not least, let’s talk manufacturing. We’ve known since early 2016 that Intel’s 2018 line-up would mainly consist of 14nm parts (Coffee Lake, 14nm++), but late year we’ve seen Whiskey Lake (14nm+++) being added to the roadmap and so far no known 10nm *desktop* parts. As for end October, BK re-iterated (as was first confirmed in March) that 10nm would ship around CES, with 10nm ramping throughout the year to high volume. With Whiskey Lake now in the mix next to Kaby-R and Coffee Lake, it’s unclear how much room there is for volume 10nm parts in 2018. So naturally one should expect the full 10nm ramp in 2019.

Now, given the scarce details about the 10nm health, coupled with repeated reports from Charlie from SemiAccurate that 10nm is broken, this has led to a lot of speculation. Folks with other sources, namely Fudzilla and David Schor, have instead argued that 10nm’s yield is not as bad as people are led to think, but instead Intel is delaying 10nm for as long as possible as to maximize profits and minimize gross margin loss.

Intel held its first Technology and Manufacturing Day in March, detailing its 10nm node. Significantly as well, Intel re-iterated its intention to grow its foundry franchise and for that purpose (as well as for its own products) has created the 22FLL node, as competitor for Global Foundries’ 22nm FD-SOI and TSMC’s new 22nm planar node.


Also feel free too at my analysis of Intel earlier this year about their roadmap delays: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/in-depth-analysis-intel-roadmap-execution-since-2014.2501657/.


Timeline

Note: I cannot guarantee completeness
(for instance, I have omitted security news, like those concerning the ME. If I have missed something, feel free to let me know.)

Curiously enough, on May 16, Intel announced Delphi to become partner (again?): https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/bmw-group-intel-and-mobileye-announce-delphi-as-a-development-partner-and-system-integrator-for-their-autonomous-driving-platform/
I have to interrupt this bullet point listing for a second to correct a mistake the media has made. Kyle Bennett got a lot of credits for this rumor, but the earliest report of the AMD-Intel “licensing” actually comes from Bloomberg on March 17 2016, about 9 months earlier. Source: http://www.livemint.com/Companies/nfiYyvSPuILt8S3SGbpb0I/Intel-said-to-be-in-talks-to-license-graphics-from-AMD.html. Forbes in Dec also did their take on the rumor: https://www.forbes.com/sites/juniper/2017/11/01/cybersecurity-in-the-age-of-quantum-computing/#4e181e423cdb.

Feb 3: https://hardforum.com/threads/from-ati-to-amd-back-to-ati-a-journey-in-futility-h.1900681/page-73#post-1042798047

2017

Edit, additions:
  • XMM 7460 launched in the iPhones
  • Intel compared Mobileye's EyeQ5 to Nvidia Xavier in November (https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332665)
  • There are multiple news articles about IEDM 2017 (22nm, 10nm) on the internet, from WIkichip, Semimd, EETimes, etc.
 
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"’id expect the first discrete GPU from Intel to be 10nm Gen10 or Gen11-based in early 2019."

that would be catastrophic for NVDA and AMD if they would whip up a dGPU in a year or so when it took AMD and NVDA decades to put this Compilation together. I suppose INTC would have game ready drivers ready too?

i believe you mentioned it in your comments above - the deep learning AI market is not where they will use a GPU. Nervana is where their focus is and that seems to the the right AI approach for them. So this big GPU push is for what? gaming? that doesn't pass the smell test - they are going to get cheap GPU's from AMD and integrate them where they want to attack IMHO.
 

NTMBK

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Where the hell is 10nm. World beating manufacturing is the core of Intel's business, without that they're toast.
 

Dayman1225

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Where the hell is 10nm. World beating manufacturing is the core of Intel's business, without that they're toast.

They have 6 days to release Cannon Lake for that EOY release... Watch it be 31st December 23:59:59, now that's what i'd call EOY!
 
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Borealis7

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2017, the year after the ACT (the company wide restructuring and layoffs), has proven to be good to Intel. in the face of growing competition like which they have not seen in perhaps a decade, the rolled out many products and the stock went flying. their public perception / image may have been tarnished a bit this year by companies such as Apple and AMD, but they'll just shrug it off and go develop their autonomous car.

the interesting thing to watch out for in 2018 and beyond is if and how Intel's position in the silicon fabrication business changes.
 
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CatMerc

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They have 6 days to release Cannon Lake for that EOY release... Watch it be 31st December 23:59:59, now that's what i'd call EOY!
And then Intel can plop 10nm in 2017 on their charts, so they can claim a lead that is far detached from reality.

God they really need to sort out TMG...
 
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witeken

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And then Intel can plop 10nm in 2017 on their charts, so they can claim a lead that is far detached from reality.

God they really need to sort out TMG...
Actually if you look carefully at the Manufacturing Day slides from March, they placed 10nm above 2018.
 

CatMerc

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Actually if you look carefully at the Manufacturing Day slides from March, they placed 10nm above 2018.
Wasn't that for the foundry business, which is delayed compared to Intel themselves using the node?
 

jpiniero

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It looks like the end of 2017 to me.

Anyway, 2018 is going to be a bad year for Intel. Between the layoffs and higher prices they were able to mask the decline in PC sales but that won't work next year. AMD's competitiveness means they will indeed have to cut prices back, not to mention that Coffee/Whiskey Lake being bigger dies will hurt margins. Servers are the same deal, they jacked up prices but Epyc being competitive means they will have to undo that too. And that's even assuming AMD doesn't actually gain any real share. Intel loves to talk about AI/DL/etc but it's really just a distraction at this point.

Hopefully now that Brian has sold his shares Intel will come clean about the state of 10 nm.
 

Ranulf

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I didn't even know about that! My ISP provided me with a modem that looks to be based on one of these chips.

Yeah, it is a fascinating story so far. The classic "we're too cheap to admit we screwed up so we're going to double down and keep selling products that seem to get worse by the day" scenario.

See http://badmodems.com/ for anyone interested in reading up on it. Long story short, I would avoid any cable modem that says "intel inside" on it for the forseeable future. VM customers in the UK are in worse shape than many as they're mostly forced to use the crappy modems.
 

DrMrLordX

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High latency is one thing, but packet loss? That's unacceptable.

Their cell modem problems seem minor in comparison.
 

NTMBK

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Ooph, that Puma6 thing sounds nasty. Glad I'm not stuck with Virgin Media.
 

esquared

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Locking this thread for now.

Will look to determine if its salvageable.


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esquared

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I have cleaned up this mess. Now for the future.

This thread is an Intel thread. Its topic is very specific. It is not the place to
to call out AMD enthusiasts. It is not the place for AMD supporters to come in and derail the thread.

If you're not here to talk of Intel's 2017 year in review, then stay out.

The same goes for the Intel enthusiasts, if we flipped the scenario, and this was an
AMD 2017, year in review, thread.

I have decided not to infract anyone. I have removed all offending posts, which was 10 of 28 posts.

This is now a cleaned up thread. Derail and you will be infracted. Call out posters and you will be infracted.
Just use the reported post function to report thread posts if you think they are in violation of the rules.




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Dayman1225

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Regarding the HBM2 FPGA, I inquired to Mouser to see if it is available/will be stocked anytime soon and got this response

 

tential

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Great post!
I felt like liking wasn't enough, and hadn't said it earlier. Great summary, very much appreciated and I hope others get some great reading value out of this.
 
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Dolan

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Regarding the HBM2 FPGA, I inquired to Mouser to see if it is available/will be stocked anytime soon and got this response
They will never ship them (expect few close members like Microsoft), because there is no reason for anyone to buy them.

Xilinx already offers more LUTs, more DSP (22 TMACS), 56/112G transceivers, HBM/DDR IP, PCI gen4... So customers who need it already have it available for years.

Best thing Intel can do today is to aim at pushing Falcon to release ASAP but i am afraid that it is late already.
 
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