Intel *consumer* octo-core Atom... where is it?

VirtualLarry

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Just reading about AMD's FX CPUs in another thread, and then thinking, Intel has their 8-core Atom Avoton CPUs for servers, why don't we have a consumer version of that? Should be good for OEM marketing Lulz. Can you imagine seeing 8-core Intel-based PCs at Walmart, for $400? Could be popular. Of course, being Atom-based, with semi-horrible ST performance, buyers of such will still wonder why their web page scrolling is choppy.
 
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NTMBK

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Oh god don't give them ideas. It's bad enough that Celeron and Pentium desktops are all Bay Trail garbage now.
 

ShintaiDK

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Just reading about AMD's FX CPUs in anther thread, and then thinking, Intel has their 8-core Atom Avoton CPUs for servers, why don't we have a consumer version of that? Should be good for OEM marketing Lulz. Can you imagine seeing 8-core Intel-based PCs at Walmart, for $400? Could be popular. Of course, being Atom-based, with semi-horrible ST performance, buyers of such will still wonder why their web page scrolling is choppy.

So this is really a troll thread?
 

Yuriman

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I know Atom doesn't clock high, but how far off is ST performance from that of, say, Bulldozer?
 

VirtualLarry

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So this is really a troll thread?

Depends on what you post, I guess.

If cbn can start a thread dedicated to the possibility of seeing a consumer version of the 8-core Xeon-D server SoC, then certainly I am entitled to start a thread dedicated to the possibility of seeing a consumer version of the 8-core Avoton server SoC.

A Plex transcoding server comes to mind, as one of the uses. But I think that OEM uptake, for the purposes of marketing "Intel 8-core" to the masses, should not be underestimated.

Especially when you consider the Future Shop ad that was posted here some time ago, with HP claiming that a Beema quad-core + iGPU was a "six-core" CPU. OEMs are yearning for differentiation possibilities. I think Intel should give it to them, and give us 8-core consumer Atoms.

Edit: Maybe with 14nm Braswell CPUs? I could imagine that Intel might give use an Atom X9 CPU, with 8 cores and an IGP.

Edit: What about the possibilities for laptops? Would you prefer an 8-core 14nm Atom-based laptop, or a dual-core with HyperThreading Core i7?
 
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Depends on what you post, I guess.

If cbn can start a thread dedicated to the possibility of seeing a consumer version of the 8-core Xeon-D server SoC, then certainly I am entitled to start a thread dedicated to the possibility of seeing a consumer version of the 8-core Avoton server SoC.

A Plex transcoding server comes to mind, as one of the uses. But I think that OEM uptake, for the purposes of marketing "Intel 8-core" to the masses, should not be underestimated.

Especially when you consider the Future Shop ad that was posted here some time ago, with HP claiming that a Beema quad-core + iGPU was a "six-core" CPU. OEMs are yearning for differentiation possibilities. I think Intel should give it to them, and give us 8-core consumer Atoms.

Since it doesn't seem like your intention is to troll, I'll tell you why you won't get your 8 core Atom...

Intel's low-cost Atom PC processors are derived from their tablet-focused SoC architectures. Intel is unlikely to bring an octa-core Atom to their high end tablet lines (although there was that DigiTimes rumor about an 8 core SoFIA MID...) and the microserver 8 core Atoms don't have iGPUs (making them useless for low-cost PCs).

This means Intel would need to design a special SKU just for the low-cost PC market. Now, given that this market is well served by quad core Atoms and the defective-quads-sold-as-duals, Intel would surely need to price an octa-core Atom at a premium in order to make it worthwhile.

Problem is, if you're charging premium for a PC Atom SKU, then you may as well buy a full fledged Core processor and get better real world performance.

So yeah, that's why Intel won't do what you suggest.
 

VirtualLarry

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and the microserver 8 core Atoms don't have iGPUs (making them useless for low-cost PCs).

This means Intel would need to design a special SKU just for the low-cost PC market.

I did not know that, thanks. I suppose that throws a significant cog into the works.
 

VirtualLarry

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Wasn't there some hubbub here about MediaTek fielding an 8-core (may have been BIG.little) tablet / phone SoC (ARM-based, of course).

If Intel decided to compete with that with their own 14nm tablet-oriented 8-core Atom-based SKU, then perhaps we will finally see 8-core Intel consumer desktop PCs and laptops at Walmart.
 

VirtualLarry

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With Intel licensing atom to Rockchip (and Spreadtrum, I believe) this could very well happen.

I suppose that's a possibility for some far-east PC cloners / tablet makers, but I would think the the major brands of PCs sold here in the US of A, wouldn't risk their relationship with Intel, if they started sourcing their CPUs from Rockchip or Spreadtrum, even if those CPUs had Intel-designed technology inside.

I would much rather see Intel themselves offering a consumer 8-core Atom, with iGPU.

Edit: If Intel created the SKU, then certainly, given how many Intel OEMs that there are, it would get used / sold in some OEM designs, I'm pretty sure.

Edit: Thanks cbn, sounds like there is a somewhat small possibility that this could actually happen in the future.
 
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cbn

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I suppose that's a possibility for some far-east PC cloners / tablet makers, but I would think the the major brands of PCs sold here in the US of A, wouldn't risk their relationship with Intel, if they started sourcing their CPUs from Rockchip or Spreadtrum, even if those CPUs had Intel-designed technology inside.

I would much rather see Intel themselves offering a consumer 8-core Atom, with iGPU.

According to this Anandtech article, Intel and Rockchip would both sell the SoFIA processor:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8061/...gic-agreement-with-chinese-soc-maker-rockchip

Intel wouldn't go into specifics on how the arrangement works, other than to say that Intel would work with Rockchip to do the SoC integration and Rockchip will bring its own IP to the table as well. Intel gave the example of Rockchip bringing 3rd party graphics IP to the SoC. Rockchip's existing products use ARM and Vivante GPU cores, so we may end up seeing an SoC that uses Intel x86 cores with Mali graphics.

If I'm reading this correctly it marks a big shift in Intel's approach to the mobile SoC market (and chip making in general). Intel claims the resulting SoC will be very price competitive. Leveraging Rockchip for integration likely means a substantially lower cost structure than traditional Intel SoCs. The design will continue to be fabbed at TSMC.

Each company will focus on selling the Intel-branded part to its own customers. Intel isn't disclosing how the profit sharing/revenue reporting will work. The agreement doesn't prevent Rockchip from continuing to sell ARM based SoCs and there's no financial investment from Intel in Rockchip.


So for a potential octocore, I would assume the same thing would happen.
 
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What would be more useful is adding a 4 or 8 core atom cluster to a standard desktop processor.
 

cbn

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Of course, being Atom-based, with semi-horrible ST performance, buyers of such will still wonder why their web page scrolling is choppy.

Here are some passmark scores for comparison:

J1900:

ST: 527 CPU marks
MT: 1887 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J1900+@+1.99GHz&id=2131

N2830:

ST: 518 CPU marks
MT: 1004 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+N2830+@+2.16GHz

1007U:

ST: 767 CPU marks
MT: 1425 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+1007U+@+1.50GHz&id=1847

Athlon 5350:

ST: 811 CPU marks
MT: 2603 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+5350+APU+with+Radeon+R3

Sempron 2650:

ST: 515 CPU marks
MT: 884 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+2650+APU+with+Radeon+R3&id=2214

E1-2100:

ST: 363 CPU marks
MT: 621 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+E1-2100+APU&id=1968

E6550 (Core 2 duo):

ST: 879 CPU marks
MT: 1502 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E6550+@+2.33GHz


E2180 (Core 2 duo):

ST: 488 CPU marks
MT: 1066 CPU marks

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+E2180+@+2.00GHz&id=1135

Comparing J1900 to Sempron 2650 Single thread, I think I see your point.

I haven't used J1900 yet, but I remember the Sempron 2650 could be somewhat choppy when rapidly manipulating the right side horizontal scroll bar (on Firefox) for content heavy webpages like Verge Home page.

Actually, even the Athlon 5350 can hang a bit on that same web page I am referring to (when rapidly manipulating the right side horizontal scroll bar on Firefox). Yet for some reason the E6550 (roughly the same single thread as Athlon 5350) doesn't have this problem even when using GMA 3100 iGPU.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Interesting analysis, thanks. Can you add N2830 Atom Celeron results to the comparison?
Edit: Thanks again!

I just bought a laptop with that CPU in it, added a Samsung 850 EVO 120GB SSD, and put on Win7 64-bit. It's actually not bad, but some web pages lag it a lot when loading, so much so that the web browser turns grey, and I get a spinning circle mouse cursor. Unless the SSD is giving me problems.

Edit: It really surprises me that the J1900 has better scores across the board compared to the E2180. Maybe DDR3 gives it an edge. The E2180 wasn't exactly a slow CPU, that I remember.

Edit: I wonder how much of Bay Trail Atom's slow web browser scrolling is due to the CPU, and how much is due to the anemic GPU? (Something that I believe was improved in CHT and Braswell.)
 
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cbn

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It really surprises me that the J1900 has better scores across the board compared to the E2180. Maybe DDR3 gives it an edge. The E2180 wasn't exactly a slow CPU, that I remember.

I used E2180 on my XP machine for many years and as I recall it wasn't slow for browsing.

I still have the CPU (and a E2200). Maybe I will install it and compare to see how well it does using both GMA 3100 and dGPU.

Right now I am kinda wondering how valid single thread passmark scores are for predicting web page scrolling roughness on Firefox.
 

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Depends on what you post, I guess.

If cbn can start a thread dedicated to the possibility of seeing a consumer version of the 8-core Xeon-D server SoC, then certainly I am entitled to start a thread dedicated to the possibility of seeing a consumer version of the 8-core Avoton server SoC.

CBN wasn't salivating at the prospect of people being dudded by an unsuitable product, as you were.

Of course, being Atom-based, with semi-horrible ST performance, buyers of such will still wonder why their web page scrolling is choppy.
 

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I have an Avoton C2750 server and it's perfect for it's role as a fanless low power Win 2012 R2 server with a few VMs. Full on Multi Thread performance is slightly quicker then a Core 2 Quad Q9450, ST performance isn't that bad about the same level as those big core celeron U's. I also have an Atom base tablet and there's a big difference in performance as the Avoton doesn't throttle like Atom in tablet as the base speed and turbo speed isn't much difference. I don't think this CPU is really design for a desktop what I'd like some manufacturer to do is make integrate a barebone quad core Avoton into a switch (8 ports) case. Would make a perfect internet appliance for pfsense or whatever you decide to load on it.
 

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Wasn't there some hubbub here about MediaTek fielding an 8-core (may have been BIG.little) tablet / phone SoC (ARM-based, of course).

If Intel decided to compete with that with their own 14nm tablet-oriented 8-core Atom-based SKU, then perhaps we will finally see 8-core Intel consumer desktop PCs and laptops at Walmart.

Last time I heard Mediatek high end will be a 10 core cpu.

2.5 ghz A72 big 2 cores

2.0 ghz A53 Medium 4 cores

1.5 ghz A53 Little

So 2+4+4

Here is anandtech talking about the chip. It is called the helio x20

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9227/mediatek-helio-x20
 

cbn

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I just bought a laptop with that CPU in it, added a Samsung 850 EVO 120GB SSD, and put on Win7 64-bit. It's actually not bad, but some web pages lag it a lot when loading, so much so that the web browser turns grey, and I get a spinning circle mouse cursor. Unless the SSD is giving me problems.

How does the N2830 laptop compare to your 1007U laptop?
 

VirtualLarry

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How does the N2830 laptop compare to your 1007U laptop?

The 1007U is noticeably faster. Especially scrolling AT forums in Waterfox 38.1.0, even with more tabs open in the background. Edit: The N2830 is still pretty usable though.

If they were the same price, then the 1007U would win, hands-down. But the base price for that laptop was ~$350, and the N2830 was ~$184. Not counting RAM upgrades or SSDs. (Both have SSDs.)
 
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