Intel Core 2010: Arrandale and Clarkdale

[IntelUser2000]

PCWatch link: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/20091127_331818.html

Summary

-Majority of the CPU sales for Intel will still be dual cores. Quad Core sales still remain less than 10% of total sales as of Q4 09. Even single cores sell similar volume compared to quad cores(surprise!).
-Brand differentiation isn't based on cores, its based on features(Threads/Cache/Turbo)

Translation: Arrandale/Clarkdale is Intel's money maker

Desktop "Clarkdale"
-Core i5 6x0 for business and 6x1 for client. The only existing 6x1 SKU is the 661 with 900MHz IGP clock and lacks vPro. 6x0 has IGP clock of 733MHz.
-<79mm2 CPU die, <120mm2 GPU die
-73W CPU+GMCH combined TDP(87W for 661)
-2 cores

*QuickPath Interconnect(QPI) connects the CPU die and GMCH(Graphics and Memory Controller Hub) die.*

Mobile "Arrandale"
-All models feature GPU Turbo Mode
-2 cores
-18W ULV, 25W LV, 35W SV combined CPU+GMCH TDP
-GPU Clocks, Celeron: 500-667MHz, ULV: 166-500MHz, LV: 266-566MHz, SV: 500-766MHz

**Depending on Model Number
The GMCH TDP isn't really clear for Clarkdale.

Pineview Updated.
-TDP is CPU+GPU
-5.5W Single Core mobile(2.5W CPU+3W GMCH)
-13W Dual Core Nettop
-10W Single Core Nettop
-Adds Intel 64/x86-64 to Netbook CPUs

 

[lothar]

Core i3 has HT too?
I was under the impression i5 = 2C/4T(or 4C/4T in the case of i5 750) while i3 = 2C/2T...

 

[IntelUser2000]

Yeah, it seems there still are two conflicting sources. But PCWatch's prediction seems to make more sense.

Core i5 to i3 should be less of a downgrade than from Core i3 to Pentium. If they take out both Hyperthreading and Turbo on the Core i3, how do they differentiate from Pentium? Just 3MB L3? Hyperthreading looks like a bigger loss than 3MB L3 to me.

Of course they might be wrong. But both infos are out there.

 

[jvroig]

-Majority of the CPU sales for Intel will still be dual cores. Quad Core sales still remain less than 10&#37; of total sales as of Q4 09. Even single cores sell similar volume compared to quad cores(surprise!).

Not really that surprising. It's just a matter of pricing. When a big majority of the buyers prefer what will mean less expense for them (as in any industry), then it will seem like "single cores and dual cores are preferred over quads", when in fact, it's simply companies and regular users who just get the cheapest without much regards to performance or future-proofing of any sort (which is why Celerons and Semprons still abound - Intel and AMD need to capture that market surplus that their normal product lines would not meet).

Core i5 to i3 should be less of a downgrade than from Core i3 to Pentium. If they take out both Hyperthreading and Turbo on the Core i3, how do they differentiate from Pentium? Just 3MB L3? Hyperthreading looks like a bigger loss than 3MB L3 to me.

They have so many lines now, that it is bound to be confusing to speculate on. Before, at least, you only pretty much had to discriminate between Celeron and Pentium, and for the "money-is-no-object" elite crowd, there were the "Extreme Editions" as well.

Now, you have the Pentium (which seems to be the lowly Celeron of today?), the i5, the i7, and the i3 to be inserted somewhere between the Celeron, err, Pentium, and the i5, and who knows if it will be closer to i5 rather than the Pentium.

Or, of course, I could be wrong, and someone more in tune with Intel's product line will set us right. I'm more interested in AMD products, so I've spent more time reading about their roadmap, so I may be totally off the mark when it comes to Intel products.

 

[21stHermit]

Mobile "Arrandale
-All models feature GPU Turbo Mode
-2 cores
-18W ULV, 25W LV, 35W SV combined CPU+GMCH TDP
-GPU Clocks, Celeron: 500-667MHz, ULV: 166-500MHz, LV: 266-566MHz, SV: 500-766MHz


Celeron
-2MB L3
-DDR3-1066
-Model Number: P4xxx

Do you expect a mobile Celeron Arrandale to be introduced along with the Core i flavors in Jan? Normally Celeron's show a year after the main product. Have you seen any pricing for the mobile CPU's?

 

[21stHermit]

Desktop "Clarkdale"
-Core i5 6x0 for business and 6x1 for client. The only existing 6x1 SKU is the 661 with 900MHz IGP clock and lacks vPro. 6x0 has IGP clock of 733MHz.
-Brand differentiation
-<79mm2 CPU die, <120mm2 GPU die
-73W CPU+GMCH combined TDP(87W for 661)
-2 cores

How do these die sizes compare to the 45nm and 65nm parts they replace? I have no reference.

Also curious that the 79mm2 CPU accounts for 65 watts and the 120mm2 GPU accounts for 8 watts of the TDP. Of course the CPU is running ~3GHz and the GPU 733MHz.

 

[IntelUser2000]

That same article says mobile value will be Q2 release, along with CULV variants. It seems to be in line with other reports on the web.

45nm Auburndale/Havendale: Unknown. They lie around 140mm2, but there are no exact figures
65nm G45: 98mm2, but its a significant overhaul

 

[IntelUser2000]

Now, you have the Pentium (which seems to be the lowly Celeron of today?), the i5, the i7, and the i3 to be inserted somewhere between the Celeron, err, Pentium, and the i5, and who knows if it will be closer to i5 rather than the Pentium.

That IS true. But both AMD and Intel seems to have it sane for the initial release. We'll see how long it lasts

IDC and Ilkhan: I've read about unconfirmed reports that Gulftown will have ~1.1 billion(1.14?) transistors with 240mm2 die.

 

[ilkhan]

Sounds right, I was figuring right around a billion +-100M, just extrapolating from bloomfield.

IntelUser: while thats a great summary, we actually knew all of that. My months old info is HT but no turbo for i3. Actually, the celeron info is new to me. Thanks.

21stHermit: the GPU is about the same size as a wolfdale, the GPU is smaller than anything Intel has put out (except atom) in a while, AFAIK. The clock speed is one part of it, the differing voltages another, but mostly it'll be different purposes and design that account for the TDP difference.

 

[cbn]

-<79mm2 CPU die, <120mm2 GPU die
-73W CPU+GMCH combined TDP(87W for 661)

How much of that 73watt power draw will come from the 79mm2 CPU vs the 120mm2 GPU?

 

[cbn]

-Majority of the CPU sales for Intel will still be dual cores. Quad Core sales still remain less than 10% of total sales as of Q4 09.

Since most CPUs are sold for laptops that probably means 20% of desktop sales include quad cores.

 

[IntelUser2000]

-The GPU takes less than 10W for Arrandale/Clarkdale.

-Mobile Arrandale can do 18-20 fps on Resident Evil 5 benchmark at 1280x720 resolution.

21stHermit: the GPU is about the same size as a wolfdale, the GPU is smaller than anything Intel has put out (except atom) in a while, AFAIK.

Which one are you talking about Ilkhan? The GMCH in Arrandale/Clarkdale is one of the largest made by Intel.

 

[ilkhan]

I was talking about the 32nm CPU die. IIRC wolfdale is what, 107mm^2?
The northbridge die is undoubtedly smaller than a G45 NB die, too.

 

[ilkhan]

I was talking about the 32nm CPU die. IIRC wolfdale is what, 107mm^2?
The northbridge die is undoubtedly smaller than a G45 NB die, too.

 

[lopri]

It looks like I won't get a chance for an impulse. :biggrin:

PCOnline i3 Review

 

[cbn]

It looks like I won't get a chance for an impulse. :biggrin:

PCOnline i3 Review

http://translate.google.com/transla...ficial&hs=PD1&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1

It looks like Core i3 is faster than the Core 2 quad and Athlon II X4 in GTA IV. This will suprise a lot of people.

 

[edplayer]

It looks like Core i3 is faster than the Core 2 quad and Athlon II X4 in GTA IV. This will suprise a lot of people.

I can't see the info

Can someone host it?

 

[cbn]

I can't see the info

Can someone host it?

You have to click on the bottom to change pages.

Check out page 10 for the GTA IV graph. (Core i3 is ~25% faster than E8400 in GTA IV despite having slightly slower clock speed. It also beat Phenom II X3)

 

[PlasmaBomb]

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/PlasmaBomb/1926714_gta4.jpg

^click for image

 

[edplayer]

thanks

though they don't test one, it looks like it should be comparable to a Q9550. That is what I have right now but I wouldn't mind changing if there is a large drop in power consumption. If it has the capability to turn off discrete graphics (and back on, from within Windows) then I will seriously consider it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Looks like to me . You guys can buy these in retail on the 10th of dec. enjoy.your in for a treat.

Intel will begin sales of its Core i3, Core i5 and Pentium processors based on Clarkdale design on the 10th of December, 2009, to distributors, resellers and retailers, who may then sell central processing units, mainboards based on Intel Q57, Intel H55 and Intel H57 as well as other components to OEMs and other customers. Intel&#8217;s goal is to have systems based on the new chips available for sale by January 7, 2010, a source with knowledge of the matter said.

 

[jvroig]

Hi Nemesis. How's it going?

By the way, would you mind sharing your source for Core i3 availability information? A link would be most appreciated. Thanks.

 

[jvroig]

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/PlasmaB...26714_gta4.jpg ^click for image

I only see an unauthorized referrer image:

 

[cbn]

I hope Anandtech tests Core i3 against quad cores in Dragon Age (scales 75&#37; with quad core in market scene) and Left 4 Dead 2 (scales 50% with quad core) along with the standard dual core games.

 

[cbn]

http://www.pconline.com.cn/images/h...926714_bio5.jpg&namecode=diy&subnamecode=home

Here is the Resident Evil 5 benchmark.