Intel Core 2010: Arrandale and Clarkdale

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21stHermit

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A good news. It looks like current P55 boards will support Arrandale processors with BIOS updates. My guess is the current economic climate as well as less-than spectacular market acceptance forced Intel to change its usual strategy, but it is a refreshing and welcome change nonetheless. (of course the on-package GPU will be disabled in this scenario)
That is not correct, you need to change Arrandale to Clarkdale. Arrandale uses mPGA989, whereas Clarkdale uses S1156.

The PConline review, earlier in this thread, used a P55 MB (w/o the BIOS update?) and noted some video problems.

The good news is a broader selection of motherboards.
 
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ilkhan

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A good news. It looks like current P55 boards will support clarkdale processors with BIOS updates. My guess is the current economic climate as well as less-than spectacular market acceptance forced Intel to change its usual strategy, but it is a refreshing and welcome change nonetheless. (of course the on-package GPU will be disabled in this scenario)

I found the following while searching on P55 boards.

[IM]http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6853/p55i3.png[/IMG]
We've known this for months. P55 doesn't have the FDI to pass the video signal to a monitor, but the CPUs will work just fine with a discrete GPU.

Whats with the rash of OLD info being reported as NEW info lately? Is it just because the news sites are catching up to confirmed rumors from 4-5 months ago?
 

lopri

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I am not aware of rash of old info being reported, but as far as this socket compatibility is concerned I have maintained the "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude, so it was a pleasant surprise when I saw the supported CPU list from actual board makers.

And as for rumors, there were plenty - including now-canned P57 chipset as well as different sockets.

Oh, and I'm sure Anand will emphasize this confirmed, 4~5 month old news in his Clarkdale review. :biggrin:
 

coldpower27

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Not really that surprising. It's just a matter of pricing. When a big majority of the buyers prefer what will mean less expense for them (as in any industry), then it will seem like "single cores and dual cores are preferred over quads", when in fact, it's simply companies and regular users who just get the cheapest without much regards to performance or future-proofing of any sort (which is why Celerons and Semprons still abound - Intel and AMD need to capture that market surplus that their normal product lines would not meet).


They have so many lines now, that it is bound to be confusing to speculate on. Before, at least, you only pretty much had to discriminate between Celeron and Pentium, and for the "money-is-no-object" elite crowd, there were the "Extreme Editions" as well.

Now, you have the Pentium (which seems to be the lowly Celeron of today?), the i5, the i7, and the i3 to be inserted somewhere between the Celeron, err, Pentium, and the i5, and who knows if it will be closer to i5 rather than the Pentium.

Or, of course, I could be wrong, and someone more in tune with Intel's product line will set us right. I'm more interested in AMD products, so I've spent more time reading about their roadmap, so I may be totally off the mark when it comes to Intel products.

Eh... Its actually really simple..

Core > Pentium > Celeron

Core i7 9xx, 8xx, 7xx
Core i5's
Core i3's
Pentium Dual-Core's.
Celeron's.
 

21stHermit

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Looks like to me . You guys can buy these in retail on the 10th of dec. enjoy.your in for a treat.

Intel will begin sales of its Core i3, Core i5 and Pentium processors based on Clarkdale design on the 10th of December, 2009, to distributors, resellers and retailers, who may then sell central processing units, mainboards based on Intel Q57, Intel H55 and Intel H57 as well as other components to OEMs and other customers. Intel’s goal is to have systems based on the new chips available for sale by January 7, 2010, a source with knowledge of the matter said.
Doesn't look like this is going to happen.
 

ilkhan

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GeForce 210 isn't exactly impressive, but still nice to see its competitive.
 

IntelUser2000

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I wonder if the poor cpu overclocking results seen in post #58 have anything do with running the IGP at the same time?
 

jvroig

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Does this mean Intel has (or soon have, as soon as official release is upon us) the best IGP in the market now? (Well, maybe not exactly an IGP in the traditional sense since it isn't in the motherboard, but this will effectively replace it)

Intel finally has both nVidia and AMD beat in the IGP space? Well, it had to happen, I guess. nVidia and AMD have been naturally limiting IGP performance so as not to cannibalize discrete graphics cards - which is a good thing because it makes them profitable, allowing them to supply us with better and better gaming cards.

I'm assuming if this is true that Intel's new IGP is not crappy anymore, then AMD and nVidia will have to follow suit and make their own IGP's just as fast or a tad faster. Well, maybe not nVidia since both Intel and AMD seem to want them out of the picture eventually.
 

bgeh

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That's cause of the pre-release driver.

A little newer one:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4032449&postcount=38

Still somewhat fits though, if you consider the relative performance of the 780g and the 9400
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3184/17630.png

Though, as pointed a few posts below the post you linked, the numbers just don't seem to fit, but the ones above imply that Intel's somehow managed to more than double performance in the 2 months since we last saw benchmarks. I'm doubtful, but we'll see
 

Idontcare

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the ones above imply that Intel's somehow managed to more than double performance in the 2 months since we last saw benchmarks. I'm doubtful, but we'll see

Significant performance changes in pre-release hardware is not uncommon by any means.

There is a reason it is pre-release hardware.
 

bgeh

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That's cause of the pre-release driver.

A little newer one:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4032449&postcount=38

More datapoints coming in:

http://translate.google.ca/translat...tel+Clarkdale+3DMark+vantage+70%25+785G&hl=en

This is a Core i5, and it beats the 785g by quite a margin, but nothing like the thrashing in the previous review (where it beat the 4350 and 210) (I'm assuming that the G6950, and the Core i5 have a very similar graphics core in them)

http://translate.google.com/transla...search?q=pcpop&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.ca

Here's the G6950 run at default clocks, not overclocked

Here's the original review from IntelUser2000:
http://translate.google.com/transla...search?q=pcpop&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.ca

Compare it to the second link, where the same processor is used, but on different chipsets (H57 vs. H55). The FPS on the lower resolution (1440*900) on the H55 is actually lower than the FPS at 1920*1080 in the H57 review

1440*900, H55:
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhg0Bhj7baJTt86RZPwuLN6iCKgQxg

1920*1080, H57:
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhwcGHbQO2drWbh_gS3am_hsQxZUA

Also from the G6950 + H57 review, it seems that the G6950 was overclocked, but it might just be the benchmark not recognising the overclock, or something along those lines, otherwise the H57 must have some special tricks (I don't mean this in a negative sense) to give it that much of a boost relative to the expected FPS we'd get with the H55. Something strange's going on here, since the graphics core is in the processor, not the chipset (if we suppose that in the H57 review, the processor is run at stock speeds). Does anyone think it may be bandwidth related? Either way, it just looks very strange, and I guess it'll only really clear up come January 7

Credit to Beyond3D forums for the links to the reviews.
 
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ilkhan

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The top i5 (900Mhz) and the base pentium (533Mhz) have slightly different GPU clock speeds. I do feel sorry for the arrandale ULV owners, with a piddly 166Mhz base GPU speed.
 

bgeh

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The top i5 (900Mhz) and the base pentium (533Mhz) have slightly different GPU clock speeds. I do feel sorry for the arrandale ULV owners, with a piddly 166Mhz base GPU speed.

Yeah, that's the strange part; the benchmarks showing the H57 config (+ Pentium G6950, i.e. the 533mhz graphics core) is faster than the 4350/210, but that means it's 2x the 785g or more. However, the benchmark with the 'faster' Core i5 (900mhz graphics core, + H55 chipset) ends up to be 20-30% faster than the 785g. Those are very different figures.

But of course, the graphics core might have been overclocked along with the processor, and didn't turn up in the final result. Or may it be a case of the processor helping offload some tasks from the graphics core, and thus OCing the processor increases the performance drastically?
 
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IntelUser2000

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Ok, we need some new info, not rehashed ones.

-You can see huge driver related performance changes
http://www.hkepc.com/3878/page/6
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3648&p=7

Take a look at 3DMark Vantage scores. According to the translated content for HKEPC, the 8.15.10.1843 driver just barely allows Clarkdale to run.

HKEPC Clarkdale vs G45 in Vantage Overall: 13.45%
HKEPC Clarkdale vs G45 in Vantage GPU: 7.37%

Now Intel's official claims

Vantage Overall: 53%
Vantage GPU: 51%

Look how poorly it does in the HKEPC review. Now see that recent reviews put it at least on par with 785G. Drivers, drivers...

-The PCPOP H57 review is overclocked. The Asus motherboard also features GPU NOS, which is an IGP overclocking capability that was featured in 785G board. Does it run with Clarkdale? I don't know

-I've compared the non-overclocked H55 results with some 785G results. In RE5, the Clarkdale performs ~50% better. It also uses MSI board which doesn't seem to have GPU NOS to screw with our heads

-What are the chances the GPU is overclocked with the CPU? Granted its off-die, but it might share common BCLK.

-Again the reason for G6950 with 533MHz IGP significantly outperforming 661's 900MHz IGP could be drivers again, a near-production version. It should allow the CPU to assist the GPU in certain operations, which could be a big change. With the G45 and Crysis it was 50%

-I've also noticed that the Clarkdale's IGP does relatively better in newer shaders compared to 210 and 4350. Compare the SM2.0 and SM3.0/HDR scores in 3DMark06 together. Clarkdale loses in SM2.0, but exceeds in SM3.0/HDR. Could it be true for DX10 too?

Now I think its conclusive that the Ironlake family IGP is between stock 785G and Radeon HD 4550. What will it be?
 
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bgeh

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Yup I agree, in fact, a followup article points this out:

http://translate.google.com/transla...p.com/doc/0/478/478245_1.shtml&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

Note the driver version (shown in that Intel program):

8.15.10.1995

However, in the Core i5 review, the post date for the thread of the 'review' was the 8th of December, and from the link I posted, the driver version used was from the 13th of November, but we don't know if they used the same driver revision, but that looks quite unlikely (it lists some, probably quite irrelevant chipset driver version) [It might also be that he just reposted a older review from some other site from a long time ago]

Still needs more data, but it would be great if we saw hd4550 like performance from integrated graphics Intel might have just wiped out the low end discrete market as we know it. Wonder what AMD can do with its next generation of integrated graphics in the RS880p chipset.
 
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