Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Ajay]

38C, 270W on 10nm? What?

If true, 10nm leaks like a sieve or, it’s clocked high. Time will tell.

 

[mikk]

It could be a dual subslice setup.

What do you mean? It already has more than 2 subslices.

Gen12 has dual-subslices (DSS), which compared to gen11 subslices have some duplicated resources/paths. Although DSS behave similarly to 2 subslices, instead of splitting this and presenting userspace with bits not directly representative of hardware resources, present userspace with a subslice_mask made up of DSS bits instead.

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So within one subslice there is another splitting of 2x8 EUs which they call dual subslice. I believe by doing this they could save some area compared to native 2x8 subslices from previous gens, area efficiency should benefit from this.

 

[jpiniero]

How many cores does Sapphire Rapids have?

SemiAccurate has told you about the core count for Cooper Lake, Ice Lake, and now on to Sapphire Rapids.

semiaccurate.com

Charlie has a article about how many cores Saphhire Rapids has. It's behind a paywall so there's nothing to see but I'll just guess that it's 64.

 

[Ajay]

I suppose it better be 64 cores!

 

[liahos1]

Update: Intel Canada says 10nm desktop chipsets set to arrive ‘early next year’ | IT World Canada News

Updated on Nov.1 at 3:27 p.m. EST: Intel has reached out to the publication with a clarification on the release date. While its 10nm desktop chips are in the works, it has not yet announced a specific timing for its desktop products. TORONTO - Intel will be producing 10nm desktop processors, and...

www.itworldcanada.com

TORONTO – Intel will be producing 10nm desktop processors, and they’ll be here early next year, IT World Canada has learned.

Intel Canada Country Manager Denis Gaudreault revealed the news to the publication during the Intel Experience Canada 2019 event Oct. 29. “As I said this morning, we learned of the 10th-gen for mobile [processors], which is based on 10nm. So early next year, that’s where the desktop version of that will come.”

 

[jpiniero]

Update: Intel Canada says 10nm desktop chipsets set to arrive ‘early next year’ | IT World Canada News

Updated on Nov.1 at 3:27 p.m. EST: Intel has reached out to the publication with a clarification on the release date. While its 10nm desktop chips are in the works, it has not yet announced a specific timing for its desktop products. TORONTO - Intel will be producing 10nm desktop processors, and...

www.itworldcanada.com

TORONTO – Intel will be producing 10nm desktop processors, and they’ll be here early next year, IT World Canada has learned.

Intel Canada Country Manager Denis Gaudreault revealed the news to the publication during the Intel Experience Canada 2019 event Oct. 29. “As I said this morning, we learned of the 10th-gen for mobile [processors], which is based on 10nm. So early next year, that’s where the desktop version of that will come.”

Either he's confused (not surprising for a marketing guy) or Intel is planning Tigerlake NUCs, which wasn't on the leaked NUC roadmap.

 

[mikk]

Even a Tigerlake NUC won't come early 2020. He is clearly confused, it's embarrassing. He is thinking 10th Gen must be automatically based on 10nm which is not the case for Comet Lake.

 

[DrMrLordX]

He is thinking 10th Gen must be automatically based on 10nm which is not the case for Comet Lake.

Marketing win for Intel.

 

[liahos1]

Marketing win for Intel.

I dont think the interpretations in here are correct. I think there will be 10nm desktop next year. Got some confirmation of that last night.

Non NUC

 

[jpiniero]

I dont think the interpretations in here are correct. I think there will be 10nm desktop next year. Got some confirmation of that last night.

Non NUC

Desktop Elkhart Lake wouldn't count.

 

[Ajay]

I dont think the interpretations in here are correct. I think there will be 10nm desktop next year. Got some confirmation of that last night.

Non NUC

Updated:

Updated on Nov.1 at 3:27 p.m. EST: Intel has reached out with a clarification on the release date. While its 10nm desktop chips are in the works, it has not yet announced a specific timing for its desktop products.

Shocked intel is talking about desktop chips - there will only be 4 fabs running 10nm. They have TGL U/Y (which I think is going to be a very good product for them) and IceLake-SP, which will likely have low yields and hence consume allot of wafers**. I suppose Intel may have taken a leaf out of AMD's playbook and is sandbagging on 10nm ++, but it’s hard to believe.

** The jump from a 26 core cpu to a 38 core one indicates 10nm is doing better than we’ve all been told.

 

[jpiniero]

** The jump from a 26 core cpu to a 38 core one indicates 10nm is doing better than we’ve all been told.

Could just be Intel shenanigans where you won't actually be able to buy the XCC model.

 

[Ajay]

Could just be Intel shenanigans where you won't actually be able to buy the XCC model.

That’s true, could be a limited release to one OEM like cannondale. Maybe no customer was interested in a 26 core part.

 

[mikk]

Updated:

Shocked intel is talking about desktop chips - there will only be 4 fabs running 10nm.

Alder Lake-S is in the works. How can you know the fabs they will have in 2022?

 

[jpiniero]

Alder Lake-S is in the works. How can you know the fabs they will have in 2022?

Nah, Alder Lake-S is definitely cancelled. Any 10 nm desktop parts are pretty clearly going to be either:

- Desktop versions of Atom (maybe Lakefield?)
- NUCs / highly clocked U parts
- X line HEDT parts, this might actually be realistic although how competitive they can make it remains to be seen. If Intel does follow through with spending a ton of wafers on Icelake-SP and Saphhire Rapids-SP, there's going to be a ton of unsellable server parts with like 8-12 cores. Not that much of a supply, but if you figure that AMD will own the HEDT market for some time maybe enough to annoy AMD.

 

[Ajay]

Alder Lake-S is in the works. How can you know the fabs they will have in 2022?

Front page article on anandtech.com this week.

 

[mikk]

Nah, Alder Lake-S is definitely cancelled.

Can you give me a source or confirmation for this? From my informations I have Alder Lake-S is in the works, the next step after Rocket Lake-S.

Any 10 nm desktop parts are pretty clearly going to be either:

Why is this clear? Intel confirmed more than once that desktop chips are in the works, so how can it be clear? Pretty sure Intel wouldn't do this if they are just planning for some NUCs with mobile SKUs, in their last clarification they even were speaking about chips rather than desktop products, it rules out a NUC with mobile SKU. Your other options are even more hilarious, big lol.

Front page article on anandtech.com this week.

There is nothing about 2022, so you can't know.

 

[jpiniero]

Can you give me a source or confirmation for this? From my informations I have Alder Lake-S is in the works, the next step after Rocket Lake-S.

The rumor mill of course. But it's pretty obvious for competitive reasons they need to go to 7 nm ASAP for all products, and if they can't in 2022 it isn't going to matter much what node they use. For mainstream desktop you may as well just refresh Rocket Lake, and if you have to just cut prices.

Why is this clear? Intel confirmed more than once that desktop chips are in the works, so how can it be clear? Pretty sure Intel wouldn't do this if they are just planning for some NUCs with mobile SKUs

Because they don't want shareholders thinking the sky is falling without actually lying. Desktop is dying but it's still a $2.9 B/quarter business.

 

[Ajay]

There is nothing about 2022, so you can't know.

You are right, I misspoke:

During its earnings call on Thursday, Intel said that so far 18 premium systems based on its 10th Generation Core (Ice Lake) processors have been formally introduced and 12 more are expected in 2019. Right now, the company produces all of its 10 nm CPUs in Hillsboro, Oregon and Kiryat Gat, Israel. Starting next quarter, the company expects 10 nm chips to also ship from its Chandler, Arizona, fab, which will increase supply of Ice Lake processors and will get Intel prepared for a broader use of the manufacturing process that had caused company a lot of troubles.

So in 2020, not 2022.

 

[mikk]

The rumor mill of course.

The same rumor mill that called 10nm completely off 1 year ago? There is so much nonsense going on.

You are right, I misspoke:

So in 2020, not 2022.

Which is irelevant for the 10nm desktop chips. Intels 10nm volume in 2021/2022 might differ a bit from 2019-2020.

 

[Ajay]

Which is irrelevant for the 10nm desktop chips. Intel's 10nm volume in 2021/2022 might differ a bit from 2019-2020.

Geez, who pissed in your Wheaties? I said I was shocked because 4 fabs is allot less than the number of 14nm fabs, which are already capacity constrained. Do the math, or just buzz off, whatever.

 

[uzzi38]

Nah, Alder Lake-S is definitely cancelled. Any 10 nm desktop parts are pretty clearly going to be either:

Outright cancelled I doubt. I see one of two scenarios for Alder Lake-S:

1. Broadwell-esque volumes, only worse. Well, at least they'll perform well.

2. In 2020 we'll become aware of a sudden 'change' to Intel's roadmaps regarding 10nm and most importantly 7nm, where they'll choose to refocus their efforts on 7nm instead, causing changes to their roadmaps and the state of 10nm desktop CPUs. There's a reason after all why they specifically said their roadmaps contain plans for 10nm desktop CPUs - because roadmaps are subject to change.

Also, I'm fully expecting this latest 10nm desktop CPU article to be referring to a NUC containing the 1068G7, which till date has still not featured in a single product. Funny how the only Ice Lake chip to break 4GHz is only featuring in a product in 2020, eh?

 

[mikk]

Geez, who pissed in your Wheaties? I said I was shocked because 4 fabs is allot less than the number of 14nm fabs, which are already capacity constrained. Do the math, or just buzz off, whatever.

Then shut up and don't post such nonsense next time! You are shocked because you are clueless and ignorant more than once.

 

[happy medium]

EXCLUSIVE ⋮ HARDWARE ⋮ LEAK
Intel’s Entire 10th Gen Comet Lake Desktop CPU Lineup Leaked – Up To 10 Cores, 20 Thread Core i9-10900, 80W TDP, W480 Chipset With New LGA 1200 Socket.

Intel's Entire 10th Gen Comet Lake Desktop CPU Lineup Leaked - Up To 10 Cores, 20 Thread Core i9-10900, 80W TDP, W480 Chipset With New LGA 1200 Socket

Intel's entire 10th Generation Comet Lake desktop CPU family along with the respective 400-series (LGA 1200) platform has been leaked.

wccftech.com

and now the Intel machine is in high gear,.




No need to shout.


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[Markfw]

EXCLUSIVE ⋮ HARDWARE ⋮ LEAK
Intel’s Entire 10th Gen Comet Lake Desktop CPU Lineup Leaked – Up To 10 Cores, 20 Thread Core i9-10900, 80W TDP, W480 Chipset With New LGA 1200 Socket.

Intel's Entire 10th Gen Comet Lake Desktop CPU Lineup Leaked - Up To 10 Cores, 20 Thread Core i9-10900, 80W TDP, W480 Chipset With New LGA 1200 Socket

Intel's entire 10th Generation Comet Lake desktop CPU family along with the respective 400-series (LGA 1200) platform has been leaked.

wccftech.com

and now the Intel machine is in high gear,.

We don't need the big and bold font. Also, when are these launching ? nothing I could find in that article.