Now that Coffee Lake has launched, Icelake is the next stop! But when and what? With the rumored 8C Coffee Lake coming next year, I suppose will be ICL-U/Y.
We always knew Coffee Lake would be Intel's 2018 product, but they pulled some of it into 2017. Icelake will be a 2019 product with some first SKUs (probably -U/Y) in 2018.I expect Icelake to fall into 2019 if i'm honest, I hope I am pleasantly surprised, though I doubt it with Intel's recent track record and with BK at the helm. Tick Tock, Tick To-- the clock broke.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20171006PD208.html
Digitimes (gotta love 'em) has a new article, mostly on Coffee Lake but it does mention 10 nm. Between that and what Intel has said, Intel probably won't actually ship any sellable Cannonlake-Y until the very end of June. So anything 10 nm Core bigger than that 2+2 die seems unlikely in 2018.
Looks like it. 14nm is shaping up to be Intel's longest-lived node: 2015 through 2018 for the bulk of its shipments.
Good thing they added Kaby and Coffee to the mix, or they'd have been in massive trouble.
I really wonder if Intel is really planning a 10nm+++ node, or if 7nm is looking real good at this point. Like you said, it’s really fortunate that 14nm turned out to have such long legs, with big help from the process development team.
"Commenting on the news, Intel said that it will be shipping its first 10nm products near the end of the year beginning with a lower volume SKU followed by a volume ramp in the first half of 2018."http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20171006PD208.html
Digitimes (gotta love 'em) has a new article, mostly on Coffee Lake but it does mention 10 nm. Between that and what Intel has said, Intel probably won't actually ship any sellable Cannonlake-Y until the very end of June. So anything 10 nm Core bigger than that 2+2 die seems unlikely in 2018.
This is sort of like what happened with 14nm and broadwell. First broadwells were released in Sep(?)/Oct 2014 as Y parts. U parts were in Jan 2015. A few H parts in June and that's about it, I think.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20171006PD208.htmlIntel's next-generation 10nm Cannon Lake processors are expected to make their debut in June or July 2018 with Cannon Lake-Y series to be released initially. Intel's 10nm Ice Lake will then be unveiled in 2019.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20171006PD208.html
Mid 2018 as expected, for CNL-Y at least. Ok for Y-Series Dualcore SKUs makes more sense. As for CNL-U looks like it won't come before end of 2018 (if it still comes). They should cancel this product. Digitimes didn't mention anything about CNL-U.
Who says they have yield issuesSo I very highly doubt we'll see a product by EOY. But we should see ramp throughout H1, hopefully. Intel, ya dun <redacted> up.
How bad is it that you cannot fab a dual core with reasonable yields with an estimated die size of 70mm^2~ They fab like 698mm^2 dies already on 14nm, albeit a very mature process, but 698mm^2 nonetheless. Come on Intel come clean on 10nm like you did with 14nm
Give us something like this, give us progress, you're only playing your self at this point Intel...
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Pffft... we're still regularly milking 180nm at work.Who says they have yield issues
They just launched their biggest improvement to their line-up in a decade on the same process, why would they need 10nm yet if they can milk 14nm for another year?
Who says they have yield issues
They just launched their biggest improvement to their line-up in a decade on the same process, why would they need 10nm yet if they can milk 14nm for another year?
They will probably do a Manufacturing Day again next year, in which they will obviously have to update on their stuff and what they have been up to. If Cannonlake isn't in the market by that time, even analysts will start asking question about where the [censored] is 10nm?I never said specifically yield issues, I just want them to come clean and say what is wrong with the process, not the usual "it's on track/coming" it's clear there are issues that they have yet to fix. Which isn't exactly good when you still flaunt your technical prowess with the so called 3 year lead, when they don't have a 3 year lead...
They will probably do a Manufacturing Day again next year, in which they will obviously have to update on their stuff and what they have been up to. If Cannonlake isn't in the market by that time, even analysts will start asking question about where the [censored] is 10nm?