HurleyBird
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You said "your" argument, not "the" argument, so it was personal.
That's... not how it works. The subject is "your argument" not "you."
You said "your" argument, not "the" argument, so it was personal.
Exacty, "your" being directed to that particular poster, hence personal.That's... not how it works. The subject is "your argument" not "you."
That's not how the English language works.Exacty, "your" being directed to that particular poster, hence personal.
So is it time to throw the "garbage" laptop systems comparisons to desktop systems into the trash? Halleluiah!!Yes exactly. Tigerlake is running with CL22 when it's using DDR4-3200. RKL-S will mostly run with CL14-CL16 depending on the RAM, it makes a difference in some benchmarks.
The latest leaks are not pointing to a IPC below Sunny Cove, the first Geekbench entry was obviously flawed:
Comparing Singlethread to Willow Cove 4.7 Ghz with the fastest supported DDR4-3200 2x16 GB CL22 dual rank, x8:
6% higher clocking RKL-S ST ->12% faster INT + 12% faster FP
Well gee! Look who's trying to sound smart after his doom and gloom rantings a few pages back. I was expecting to see you express some type of shock or admiration that smart chip architects seem to have squeezed more juice than you ever could contemplate. Instead, you go on your usual verbose rants that lacks any insights as to how such a feat is even possible; you being the all-knowing, disgruntled, ex-Intel employee.Well gee, Intel design should just separate from the fabs right now. Problem solved, right? Why would you assert TSMC to be the primary reason for AMD's outright technical dominance without the slightest clue of how much of an impact the process has? How would you even know the transistor parameters changes and how they apply to architecture and design? Dennard scaling tapered off years ago and yet TSMC reversed the trend in the year 2020 somehow to benefit AMD... sounds legit. LOL.
I do like how you spun a desperate reactionary product as a "wake up". When the reality is Intel management having to choose this barely acceptable option out of a set of horrible choices,. That is high quality spin.
Why? You don't know? I wonder why? Even your sources were blindsided by this? That's interesting, coming from you, because you come off as someone who knows all the happenings at Intel, down to the horribad power consumption of RKL-S.No reason at all, other than the fact that Willow Cove was likely still in early development in 2018 and even Sunny Cove was not ready for market under any process. How do you come up with this stuff?
We found the culprit. I've found that what passes as a safe remark in country A could earn a person an instant slap in country B. It's a cultural thing.That's not how the English language works.
Average by core - fps/core/GHz (fps per available GHz) | ||
Zen 3 (Vermeer) | 0.241 | 100% |
Tiger Lake (Willow Cove) | 0.217 | 90% |
Zen 2 (Rome) | 0.216 | 90% |
Kaby Lake R (Skylake) | 0.177 | 73% |
Haswell | 0.156 | 65% |
Comet Lake (Skylake) | 0.155 | 64% |
Zen+ (Summit Ridge) | 0.149 | 62% |
Well gee! Look who's trying to sound smart after his doom and gloom rantings a few pages back. I was expecting to see you express some type of shock or admiration that smart chip architects seem to have squeezed more juice than you ever could contemplate. Instead, you go on your usual verbose rants that lacks any insights as to how such a feat is even possible; you being the all-knowing, disgruntled, ex-Intel employee.
Why? You don't know? I wonder why? Even your sources were blindsided by this? That's interesting, coming from you, because you come off as someone who knows all the happenings at Intel, down to the horribad power consumption of RKL-S.
So every time someone agrees with your arguments you think people like you? That's not how it works in any language.If one takes delight in seeing their statements being complimented, they could equally take offense when the response is the opposite.
Let's just say I'm happy you were a low tier employee at Intel and weren't in charge of any real decisions involving architecture back-porting. Otherwise, RKL-S would've been toast. So, just be content doing what you do and stop bad-mouthing people with real decisions to make. Truce?Oh wow. By juice, do you mean amps? If so you tried your grade school gold star best at making a point, they certainly tried their best to "squeeze more juice". Unfortunately for you, being impressed by individual, no-context leaked benchmarks showing an upcoming chip barely matching a design already on the market while sucking down twice as much power (my estimate, take it or leave it, I don't care) is the domain of fanboy dabblers. Do you see any power measurements with these leaks? What about run-time length? Cooling arrangement? Test bed setup? Are you seriously that gullible? Don't answer that, it is rhetorical.
LOL, sources? Again, unlike you, I know how (very) long it takes Intel to develop a CPU to market. And even for a dabbler such as yourself, the claim of a 2018 Rocketlake is so plainly absurd that even you should know not to use it as a talking point.
Thanks for the education, Mr. Expert in Global Culture.So every time someone agrees with your arguments you think people like you? That's not how it works in any language.
Taking offense to a reply does not make the reply a personal attack.
Let's just say I'm happy you were a low tier employee at Intel and weren't in charge of any real decisions involving architecture back-porting. Otherwise, RKL-S would've been toast. So, just be content doing what you do and stop bad-mouthing people with real decisions to make. Truce?
I take it you don't like me.Thanks for the education, Mr. Expert in Global Culture.
Thanks for the education, Mr. Expert in Global Culture.
It's not personal. Try to read carefully before you pounce next time. Capisce?I take it you don't like me.
Which culture in the world is it normal behavior to take any critique of an argument as a personal attack?
Without going into any detail, the fact that we're debating it here should offer a clue.Which culture in the world is it normal behavior to take any critique of an argument as a personal attack?
Without going into any detail, the fact that we're debating it here should offer a clue.
What is a critique of an argument? Is that a counter-argument? Obviously not, so why not offer a counter-argument?Just because you can take a critique of an argument as a personal attack, that doesn't make it a cultural norm. I'm not aware of any culture where this is considered a normal thing but I'm more than willing to be enlightened on the subject if such a culture actually exists (outside of fanboy culture as @dmens pointed out).
What is a critique of an argument? Is that a counter-argument? Obviously not, so why not offer a counter-argument?
I could have answered this post as being grossly myopic, which you may deem normal or not, but it won't go down well with other people I know. Instead, I went with a counter-argument, and that's all the difference.
Oh wow. By juice, do you mean amps? If so you tried your grade school gold star best at making a point, they certainly tried their best to "squeeze more juice". Unfortunately for you, being impressed by individual, no-context leaked benchmarks showing an upcoming chip barely matching a design already on the market while sucking down twice as much power (my estimate, take it or leave it, I don't care) is the domain of fanboy dabblers. Do you see any power measurements with these leaks? What about run-time length? Cooling arrangement? Test bed setup? Are you seriously that gullible? Don't answer that, it is rhetorical.
LOL, sources? Again, unlike you, I know how (very) long it takes Intel to develop a CPU to market. And even for a dabbler such as yourself, the claim of a 2018 Rocketlake is so plainly absurd that even you should know not to use it as a talking point.
Then enlighten me, whose argument does the "your" refer to?That's not how the English language works.
Then enlighten me, whose argument does the "your" refer to?
For crying out loud, it wasn't even that bad an insult, as anand forums go these days. I just dont like seeing someone deny what they said when it is written in black and white.