We only have two data points. Looks like 6-7% improvement on our specific benchmark.
How much performance does AVX512 add to x265?
X86 Skylake + L2 core - 217 million transistors.
X86 CypressCove + L2 core - 300 (+ 38% to Skylake) million transistors.
The 10 Skylake cores are 2.17 billion transistors.
The 8 CypressCove cores are 2.4 billion transistors, which is 11.6% larger than the 10 Skylake cores. 8 CypressCove cores have an area of 11 Skylake cores.
The hypothetical 10 CypressCove cores already have 3 billion transistors and 38% more surface area than the 10 Skylake cores.
10 CypressCove cores would be approximately 14 Skylake cores.
Sorry if it has been asked (and it probably has) but when do we think 11th Gen desktop CPUs will come out in OEM machines? I am a fan of 1L micro form factor machines and if Xe is right around the corner, I want to know how much longer I need to wait.
Any thoughts on the decision to go with the 11900k on release, or wait for Alder-Lake?
I'm on a 6700k currently, and a few of my games are really needing > 4C8T. Guess this depends on whether Alder-Lake is delayed from 2H 2021 or not, hmm!
Playing the wait for the next best thing is often a losing game. There is always a next best thing, so you can get trapped into never buying. The exception is when the next best thing is just about to be released. Alder Lake's release date is a big question mark and its gaming impact is an even bigger question mark. If I were you, then I would wait only if (A) you really don't feel the need to upgrade now and it is just a want and (B) Rocket Lake's high power consumption has a meaningful impact to you. Considering that it is a desktop that you'll likely pair with an even more power hungry video card, item (B) might not really be meaningful to you.Any thoughts on the decision to go with the 11900k on release, or wait for Alder-Lake?
I'm on a 6700k currently, and a few of my games are really needing > 4C8T. Guess this depends on whether Alder-Lake is delayed from 2H 2021 or not, hmm!
Playing the wait for the next best thing is often a losing game. There is always a next best thing, so you can get trapped into never buying. The exception is when the next best thing is just about to be released. Alder Lake's release date is a big question mark and its gaming impact is an even bigger question mark. If I were you, then I would wait only if (A) you really don't feel the need to upgrade now and it is just a want and (B) Rocket Lake's high power consumption has a meaningful impact to you. Considering that it is a desktop that you'll likely pair with an even more power hungry video card, item (B) might not really be meaningful to you.
The 11700k and 11900k should be released in a few weeks. They should be a big improvement over your 6700K. I agree with jpiniero, that the 11900K probably is not going to be worth it over the 11700k. Unless Intel has a surprise up their sleeves with the 11900k, a 6% faster single-core turbo and 4% faster all core turbo is not enough to really even notice.
11900K isn't going to be worth it over the 11700K.
I considered as much, though most interested in how Rocket Lake in general will compare VS Alder Lake.
I've had Skylake (6700k) since release in August 2015 and was determined to wait for an actual new architecture before upgrading. Now that we're getting two new architectures in the same year, I'd like to know if Alder Lake is worth waiting for or not!
Supposedly 32 eu Xe.
And it exists to plumb the wallets of those who are looking for the "best" and only are considering Intel, a market segment which I assume is not insignificant.
If you've got decent GPU, I wouldn't wait. Buy it and enjoy it.
It's not this simple, but it somewhat like Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge. In retrospect, while it is undeniable IVB is both faster and more power efficient, in terms of real world usage a year or two later even what did it matter if you were upgrading from a Core 2 Duo? Both were amazing options
Golden Cove was marked with "ST performace" tag on Intel's slide for upcoming architectures, the same tag as Sunny Cove. At the very least I would expect a 10% IPC bump, if not the expected ~18-19% that's being talked about on the forums. Couple that with a far more efficient node and come winter holidays Rocket Lake will look worse than Comet Lake looks today.Do we know for sure that the IPC jump from Rocket Lake to Alder Lake will be as small as the jump from Sandy to Ivy? If that's the case I won't bother to wait.
Sandy to Ivy? That would be Sunny Cove to Willow Cove.
Rocket to Alder Lake IPC jump alone should be 20%. The recent GeekBench leak points to even higher gains...
11900K isn't going to be worth it over the 11700K.
I tend to agree with this. I write "tend" because it still depends on what the actual street prices turn out to be. I don't think I'll be waiting for ADL. I'll probably upgrade my mobo/CPU/RAM to RKL at the end of the summer when RKL prices have dropped and preliminary ADL is known.
I have thought about buying a low end Comet Lake CPU now with a RKL capable motherboard and then upgrading later but it risky to play that game with the highly dynamic world of computer tech. That plan only worked out for me once with my current Haswell rig. I bought a really cheap Haswell processor, used it for like a year and then when the 4770k went on sale for $199.99 at my local Microcenter picked it up and sold the old Haswell CPU on ebay. That was the only time that gamble ever worked out for me.
But, I'd be lying if I haven't and still am thinking about buying a 10100 for $100 and then upgrading to RKL later. This would only be a 15% performance upgrade but it would be super cheap as well. It's just that urge to tinker that makes me want to do this.... and I could move that stuff into my HTPC later... see, I'm convincing myself!
The Phantom Canyon NUC is what you are probably talking about. Although the GPU is great (RTX 2060), they are putting a 1165G7 CPU in it which is very disappointing. It is coming in March supposedly.Yes, and I think we'll more likely see TGL-H over RKL-S in those sorts of form factors. Iirc wasn't there supposed to be a Ghost Canyon NUC refresh with TGL-H for example?
Unless the 11900k is going to overclock all cores to 5.5GHz consistently, I think the 11700k is always going to be at 11900k clocks through overclocking. I think the ceiling is going to be the same due to power and thermal limitations.And it exists to plumb the wallets of those who are looking for the "best" and only are considering Intel, a market segment which I assume is not insignificant.
Unless the 11900k is going to overclock all cores to 5.5GHz consistently, I think the 11700k is always going to be at 11900k clocks through overclocking. I think the ceiling is going to be the same due to power and thermal limitations.
Yeah, you are right. I am not sure what would be in more historical perspective. The updates from Sandy through Skylake felt so iterative. Is that like Sandy to Haswell or all the way to Skylake?
Asked what enthusiasts should be excited about in the future with Intel, he replied:
"Alderlake – it was only a small part of our Architecture Day event, but it’s the biggest architecture movement since the Core architecture in 2006. It’s a huge leap and will be very exciting. I'm a PC enthusiast myself and I'm very excited by what Alder Lake will offer.
Do we know for sure that the IPC jump from Rocket Lake to Alder Lake will be as small as the jump from Sandy to Ivy? If that's the case I won't bother to wait.
Sandy to Ivy? That would be Sunny Cove to Willow Cove.
Rocket to Alder Lake IPC jump alone should be 20%. The recent GeekBench leak points to even higher gains...
Golden Cove was marked with "ST performace" tag on Intel's slide for upcoming architectures, the same tag as Sunny Cove. At the very least I would expect a 10% IPC bump, if not the expected ~18-19% that's being talked about on the forums. Couple that with a far more efficient node and come winter holidays Rocket Lake will look worse than Comet Lake looks today.
If all you want is keep up with gaming demands, get yourself a heavily discounted 6c/12t Comet Lake or one i5 RKL-S + non-Z board with enabled memory oc features. This will carry you nicely until next year.