The amount of people who would do that is not that many.
There's no guarantee that Raptor Lake will even support DDR4 btw.
Exactly!
There is no guarantee, unless Intel explicitly says it, that Raptor Lake will support DDR4.
The amount of people who would do that is not that many.
There's no guarantee that Raptor Lake will even support DDR4 btw.
Intel Sapphire Rapids HEDT CPUs for W790 chipset now rumored to launch in Q3 2022, alongside Raptor Lake - VideoCardz.com
Intel 13th Gen Core HEDT to launch next year? Intel pushes Sapphire Rapids-X back. A Chinese leaker who brought us both the first photo of the Intel LGA1700 socket and the photo of the Z690 chipset, now has more information on the upcoming Alder Lake, Sapphire Rapids-X, and Raptor Lake series...videocardz.com
Sapphire Rapids-X might be released at or near the same time Raptor Lake is.
Man, nobody has really implied that _that_ was an issue, even though you, quite ironically I'd say, ARE actually forced to use either one or the other, if you wanna operate an ADL processor. So I'm not sure what are you trying to say here. Who the fridge has ever raged over being able to pick motherboards? I mean that! Please show me ANYBODY on this forum who suggested as such 🤣🤣🤣I don't really see the issue here. Use DDR4 (probably the stuff you already have) if you are a casual user or a gamer. Use DDR5 if you need the bandwidth (such as heavy computations, AI, etc).
There would be an issue if you were forced into one or the other. But why the rage over allowing users to pick motherboards and memory that meets their needs?
Many enthusiast would buy them, but none will be around for quite some time.During the last memory standard transition, at least one combination board existed: The Asrock b150m Combo-G. Most boards were either/or however. People are correct in pointing out that technically DDR3L only was supported on skylake (although Asus claimed DDR3 was fine on their boards) and that DDR4 was more mature at the time of skylake's release, both of which would have blunted the demand for DDR3 boards somewhat.
I disagree no one would buy those boards. I seem to remember an ECS transition board being quite popular despite it being ECS. These days the cool oddball stuff mostly shows up in China and not here though.
I've never seen one of these kinds of boards that supported quad sticks of each type though.
The amount of people who would do that is not that many.
There's no guarantee that Raptor Lake will even support DDR4 btw.
Probably a stupid question but I'm going to ask it.
Since ADL and Raptor will be pin compatible and the memory controller is on the motherboard ( think) why would ADL be able to work with DDR4 or 5 but not Raptor Lake?
Probably a stupid question but I'm going to ask it.
Since ADL and Raptor will be pin compatible and the memory controller is on the motherboard ( think) why would ADL be able to work with DDR4 or 5 but not Raptor Lake?
The memory controller called IMC is on the CPU and if Raptor Lake only supports DDR5 it won't support DDR4. Rapor Lake is rumored to have support for DDR5-5600 and LPDDR5x which implies it's a new or upgraded IMC, Intel might drop DDR4 because of this.
I would be shocked if they dropped it. Raptor Lake launches a year from Alder Lake. DDR5 availability/pricing may still be an issue at that point.
I think you misread my post. Intel is giving people a choice between DDR4 or DDR5 and yet we get flooded with people complaining. That is what I am talking about. I said nothing about people complaining about being able to pick motherboards, that is a strawman argument. Alderlake will let users use either low latency DDR4 or high bandwidth (in spec latency) DDR5. Yet we get doom and gloom posts like this:Man, nobody has really implied that _that_ was an issue, even though you, quite ironically I'd say, ARE actually forced to use either one or the other, if you wanna operate an ADL processor. So I'm not sure what are you trying to say here. Who the fridge has ever raged over being able to pick motherboards? I mean that! Please show me ANYBODY on this forum who suggested as such 🤣🤣🤣
Memory latency is disaster levels, not "pretty high"...Intel is in deep trouble if casual desktop DDR5 4800C40 system will have 100ns of memory latency.
Still, it's not looking good for ADL - curious now where this is going.
those slow 15ns timings will hurt Alder Lake hard. Intel has warped back to 2015 with memory latency and they will pay for it in "stock" tests
Intel is giving people a choice between DDR4 or DDR5 and yet we get flooded with people complaining.
As compared to?Actually, people seem put off by the apparently poor performance of DDR5 on LGA1700.
EXCLUSIVE: 35W desktop Alder Lake
We are partial to 35W desktop CPUs. They offer amazing performance and the latest bells and whistles in a fanless-friendly thermal enveloppe...www.fanlesstech.com
Fanlesstech apparently has the SKU list for Alder Lake's T parts. Strangely enough the i5 T doesn't get any small cores and the lowest i5 T has UHD 730 so 24 EUs.
Didn't the rumors have the i5 12600 and 12400 without small cores? Meaning that the 12600K is the only i5 with small cores. See here: https://wccftech.com/intel-12th-gen...k-for-394-euros-core-i5-12600k-for-287-euros/EXCLUSIVE: 35W desktop Alder Lake
We are partial to 35W desktop CPUs. They offer amazing performance and the latest bells and whistles in a fanless-friendly thermal enveloppe...www.fanlesstech.com
Fanlesstech apparently has the SKU list for Alder Lake's T parts. Strangely enough the i5 T doesn't get any small cores and the lowest i5 T has UHD 730 so 24 EUs.
The amount of people who would do that is not that many.
You are correct that people do spring a little bit more for features that they don't currently need. For example, the last motherboard that I bought includes 2.5 Gb ethernet and USB 3.2 even though I have nothing to connect that needs those speeds. But the upcharge was only in the $20 range. And I plan to get things that need those speeds down the line. With K processors the upcharge is not too much and can provide tangible benefits even if you don't overclock. For example, the 10700K is 300 MHz faster than the 10700 for only ~$50 more even at stock speeds.I suspect it's higher than you think. I've known plenty of people that sprang a little extra for the unlocked K-model CPU that never bothered overclocking it even though they bought it so that they could in case they wanted some extra oomph down the road.
People also buy the extended warranties or added protection plans from stores like Best Buy, so it's not hard to imagine people getting up-sold on products like this either.
As compared to?
A Comet Lake-S system running DDR4-3200 or similar. At least the latency of Alder Lake-S seems terrible. Bandwidth is (as expected) better, but . . .
I feel like that gif of DiCaprio from Once upon a time in Hollywood "hey, I've seen this before" lol