That's already the score of a well tuned 5950X @ 4,55 all core OC. Looking pretty promising.
That's already the score of a well tuned 5950X @ 4,55 all core OC. Looking pretty promising.
Not sure how wise it is to start comparing these scores without taking into account, how much fine tuning can mean. You also can't know the 12900K's actual power consumption during this test, let alone every other significant detail...Cant really say i'm impressed with either Alderlake or Intel "7nm" considering this took PL2 255w to achieve..
This is my everyday 1 year old 5950x
165w @ 1.1vcore get -> 4550/4400mhz = 30008 points
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181w @ 1.138 vcore get -> 4600/4500mhz = 30538 points
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It's dual channel. That's just a wrong recognition by CPUZThe memory section of CPU-Z says “quad” channel. Interesting they are framing it that way.
Price if the 5950x es 700.00 and up. If the 12900k is priced like the 5900x (which I consider its real competition) it could be a good alternative. If they price it like the 5950x, then not so much (unless it is clearly faster overall, which I don't expect).Cant really say i'm impressed with either Alderlake or Intel "7nm" IF it took PL2 255w to achieve those 30.5k points in Cinebench r23..
This is my everyday 1 year old 5950x
165w @ 1.1vcore get -> 4550/4400mhz = 30008 points
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181w @ 1.138 vcore get -> 4600/4500mhz = 30538 points
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If i let my 5950x use above 250w freely i can score up to and above 32k in cinebench r23
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Bone stock memory + 5950x load-optimized-defaults in bios:
125w = 26182 points
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CPUz says 10 nm, speaking the truth!Cant really say i'm impressed with either Alderlake or Intel "7nm" IF it took PL2 255w to achieve those 30.5k points in Cinebench r23...
CPUz says 10 nm, speaking the truth!
That aside... this is happening with just 8 big and 8 small cores: consider even using 255 W vs a 11900K at 255 W it's doing great work and efficiency shows. They literally 2x multi-thread in one generation.
By waving a magic wand, you reckon?
Cant really say i'm impressed with either Alderlake or Intel "7nm" IF it took PL2 255w to achieve those 30.5k points in Cinebench r23..
This is my everyday 1 year old 5950x
It's impressive considering there are only 8 big cores and it has 8 threads less than the 5950x. This is unexpected MT performance if it's true.
The people still swearing ADL-S will be horrible at this point are anti-Intel. Don't bother. You can't have an actual objective conversation with them. For me personally, I suspect power usage will be well above and beyond my AMD chip (a 5950X), so unless it absolutely destroys my machine in every way, shape, and form, I'm not going to bother.It's impressive considering there are only 8 big cores and it has 8 threads less than the 5950x. This is unexpected MT performance if it's true.
But won't ADL actually be competing with Zen3+ (or whatever its going to be called) ?
The key thing here is that with Zen3D rumored to be a bit more expensive piece of tech to manufacture, how much more is AMD going to tag onto the Zen 3 tax, and are enthusiasts going to respond favorably to it? As it is, with the 12600kf rumored to be 5800x killer and listed at a paltry $261 price, things are not looking good for Zen3D pricing.Yes, but I wouldn't expect Zen3D to perform miracles. The rumor mill indicates slightly lower clocks, but better performance thanks to the additional cache. Neither vendor will have a clear winner from what I personally gather. Even if AMD manages to meet or exceed clocks, You are looking at less than a 20% overall boost to Zen 3. AMD will likely retake the crown for a few key benchmarks, and lose others where cache is not as important. A lot of people claim that CBr23 doesn't care about memory bandwidth...we'll find out for sure once Zen3D comes out.
If they have any sense, they will pull a Zen+ and price the parts really competitively, since 7nm production is really-really stable now.The key thing here is that with Zen3D rumored to be a bit more expensive piece of tech to manufacture, how much more is AMD going to tag onto the Zen 3 tax, and are enthusiasts going to respond favorably to it? As it is, with the 12600kf rumored to be 5800x killer and listed at a paltry $261 price, things are not looking good for Zen3D pricing.
ADL-S and next line of releases are going to be a real problem for AMD. ADL-S looking this strong this early, and with RPL with 8 raptor cove cores and 16 e-cores, and all of a sudden, it's AMD that's under pressure in the "moar cores" war.
My understanding is that Zen3 and even Zen3D should still be cheaper to manufacture than a large monolithic die such as ADL-S when looking at the flagship SKUs, alas production volume vs. demand will complicate the equation quite a bit. We'll discuss this in greater detail as ADL-S launches, for now I'd rather wait and refrain from stealing any spotlight from ADL as this is it's rightful thread. I'll say this for now though: I don't expect AMD to follow up in the "moar cores" escalation. Just like with vanilla Zen, they will play their strengths and change their marketing narrative. I expect P cores to be under assault from the competition, not E cores.The key thing here is that with Zen3D rumored to be a bit more expensive piece of tech to manufacture, how much more is AMD going to tag onto the Zen 3 tax, and are enthusiasts going to respond favorably to it? As it is, with the 12600kf rumored to be 5800x killer and listed at a paltry $261 price, things are not looking good for Zen3D pricing.
ADL-S and next line of releases are going to be a real problem for AMD. ADL-S looking this strong this early, and with RPL with 8 raptor cove cores and 16 e-cores, and all of a sudden, it's AMD that's under pressure in the "moar cores" war.
theMy understanding is that Zen3 and even Zen3D should still be cheaper to manufacture than a large monolithic die such as ADL-S when looking at the flagship SKUs, alas production volume vs. demand will complicate the equation quite a bit. We'll discuss this in greater detail as ADL-S launches, for now I'd rather wait and refrain from stealing any spotlight from ADL as this is it's rightful thread. I'll say this for now though: I don't expect AMD to follow up in the "moar cores" escalation. Just like with vanilla Zen, they will play their strengths and change their marketing narrative. I expect P cores to be under assault from the competition, not E cores.
Alder Lake will definitely be a refreshing and competitive product for the end of this year, although you probably know by now that in this stage I value P cores much-much more than E cores when it comes to consumer desktop.
As I said, we can get into more details once we meet ADL-S properly, for now I merely wanted to point out that final pricing is a moving target for both vendors, not just one. Personally I doubt we'll see prices that seriously dent margins from either company, mainly due to the current state of affairs in the global market (crazy demand, global supply issues etc). Innovation will be far more exciting than pricing, or at least that's how I see 2021-2022.Still, don't forget the infamous warchest.
I would definitely welcome agressive pricing from Intel, but I'm not holding my breath after seeing how they approached RKL-S.
That is the most accurate way of putting it(...) final pricing is a moving target for both vendors, not just one.
Et tu, Brute? If you think the 12600KF could offer strong value for the money, then wait till you see the rest of the i5 SKUs. The 12600K will need cut-down 8+8 silicon while the rest of the i5 range will be able to use the far more price effective 6+0 silicon.I'd say if leaks are correct and 12600KF is really ~$250, that will force AMD to stop milking customers with "proper" 8C
The key thing here is that with Zen3D rumored to be a bit more expensive piece of tech to manufacture, how much more is AMD going to tag onto the Zen 3 tax, and are enthusiasts going to respond favorably to it? As it is, with the 12600kf rumored to be 5800x killer and listed at a paltry $261 price, things are not looking good for Zen3D pricing.
ADL-S and next line of releases are going to be a real problem for AMD. ADL-S looking this strong this early, and with RPL with 8 raptor cove cores and 16 e-cores, and all of a sudden, it's AMD that's under pressure in the "moar cores" war.
Hard to tell right now based on preliminary pricing, but a crude price estimate is $32/core (regardless of type of core) + ~$50 for being the top of the category (for example the top i9, the top i7, the top i5, top i5 non K, etc). If that is what it ends up being, then yes, they are selling Atom at 4x the price/area.now with Alder Lake they will probably sell the Atom for more $$ / mm2 than their crown jewel Coves.