So, we will see more Cannon Lake SKUs next year, but not Ice Lake? I believe that Intel said Cannon Lake is 10nm and Ice Lake 10nm+, but from the earnings call it did not sound like 10nm+ would have any chance of making it in 2019.
There is in fact, because Intel say Ice Lake is 10nm+. That was my pointIntel said they won't go HVM until sometime in 2019 (and it sounds like the end of 2H tbh). But there's nothing from Intel that suggests they couldn't just ship a low volume Icelake mobile part. The problem of course the Icelake U/Y die is bigger - 4 cores plus a bigger GPU.
There is in fact, because Intel say Ice Lake is 10nm+. That was my point
they said Ice lake is on 10nm+:Intel hasn't said anything about 10 vs 10+, only HVM. We know Icelake already taped out because Intel said so.
I don't see anything like that on that Intel page, though.they said Ice lake is on 10nm+:
"Basic information on the Ice Lake architecture has been published over on Intel's codename decoder, officially confirming for the first time the existence of the architecture and that it will be made on Intel's 10nm+ process."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11722/intel-reveals-ice-lake-core-architecture-10nm-plus
Intel said they won't go HVM until sometime in 2019 (and it sounds like the end of 2H tbh). But there's nothing from Intel that suggests they couldn't just ship a low volume Icelake mobile part. The problem of course the Icelake U/Y die is bigger - 4 cores plus a bigger GPU.
Since Cannonlake is finally out, it can be called a milestone. Once parts are out, things often improve rather rapidly.
Even Intel itself doesn't seem quite as optimistic as you are.Since Cannonlake is finally out, it can be called a milestone. Once parts are out, things often improve rather rapidly. The Y part, 8114Y isn't here yet but computex is a reasonable expectation. That means that could be the earliest launch for Icelake. The better scenario would have been if CNL-Y was either earlier or skipped to hasten Icelake Y but it doesn't seem to be the case. Mistakes can't be skipped, it has to be something to learn from.
To keep with the fluidness of Intel roadmaps, I expect:
-Icelake-S, a year after CFL 8C, or BTS 2019
-Icelake-Y, a year after CNL-Y, or likely Computex 2019
-Icelake-U 15W, a year after Whiskeylake-U, or BTS 2019
-Server isn't as clear, because we don't know if Cascade Lake will launch early and do a separate Intel DIMM support in Q4, or just wait until Q4 for everything. I think a staggered launch is possible.
Interestingly then, that leaves Coffeelake-U 28W/H as the lineup that can be replaced earliest by Icelake in Apr/May. If they want to do a limited low volume launch, they can wait for H chips later and only release Icelake-U as a 28W part.
Wow, you really, really are optimistic.It's entirely possible that Intel will do better than BK's estimate. BK might even be sandbagging just to be careful.
Wow, you really, really are optimistic.
Intel is now already 2 years behind their original roadmaps, and you say they're sandbagging?!?
As I've mentioned before, my original plan in 2014 was to buy a 2016 10 nm laptop, to upgrade from my old 2009 Penryn 45 nm Core 2 Duo machine.
I ended up waiting until 2017 to buy a 14 nm one.
I suggested possibilities and you jumped the shark...Wow, you really, really are optimistic.
Intel is now already 2 years behind their original roadmaps, and you say they're sandbagging?!?
As I've mentioned before, my original plan in 2014 was to buy a 2016 10 nm laptop, to upgrade from my old 2009 Penryn 45 nm Core 2 Duo machine.
I ended up waiting until 2017 to buy a 14 nm one.
Hmmm.... I don’t think you know what that means.I suggested possibilities and you jumped the shark...
It's entirely possible that Intel will do better than BK's estimate. BK might even be sandbagging just to be careful.
Since Cannonlake is finally out, it can be called a milestone. Once parts are out, things often improve rather rapidly. The Y part, 8114Y isn't here yet but computex is a reasonable expectation. That means that could be the earliest launch for Icelake. The better scenario would have been if CNL-Y was either earlier or skipped to hasten Icelake Y but it doesn't seem to be the case. Mistakes can't be skipped, it has to be something to learn from.
To keep with the fluidness of Intel roadmaps, I expect:
-Icelake-S, a year after CFL 8C, or BTS 2019
-Icelake-Y, a year after CNL-Y, or likely Computex 2019
-Icelake-U 15W, a year after Whiskeylake-U, or BTS 2019
-Server isn't as clear, because we don't know if Cascade Lake will launch early and do a separate Intel DIMM support in Q4, or just wait until Q4 for everything. I think a staggered launch is possible.
Interestingly then, that leaves Coffeelake-U 28W/H as the lineup that can be replaced earliest by Icelake in Apr/May. If they want to do a limited low volume launch, they can wait for H chips later and only release Icelake-U as a 28W part.
Fluid as in it can change and adapt pretty quick, not set in stone because Intel themselves are unsure.Fluidness of intel's roadmap? Intel's roadmap is anything but fluid, it is a complete mess. I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon.
In your post, you went way past what I actually said.Hmmm.... I don’t think you know what that means.
Confirmed, you don't know what "jump the shark" means.In your post, you went way past what I actually said.
Confirmed, you don't know what "jump the shark" means.
Anyhow, the point is Intel is already two years behind, and you're trying to suggest that they are sandbagging now with their latest guidance for 10 nm. That's just ridiculous.
Fluid as in it can change and adapt pretty quick, not set in stone because Intel themselves are unsure.
Yes, AMD sandbagged Ryzen performance. Stating almost until launch that it was %40 faster than the construction cores. Turned out it's actually %52.Has there ever been a case in the PC hardware industry in the past 10 years where claims of "sandbagging" weren't just wishful thinking by disappointed fans?
Since Cannonlake is finally out, it can be called a milestone. Once parts are out, things often improve rather rapidly. The Y part, 8114Y isn't here yet but computex is a reasonable expectation. That means that could be the earliest launch for Icelake. The better scenario would have been if CNL-Y was either earlier or skipped to hasten Icelake Y but it doesn't seem to be the case. Mistakes can't be skipped, it has to be something to learn from.
To keep with the fluidness of Intel roadmaps, I expect:
-Icelake-S, a year after CFL 8C, or BTS 2019
-Icelake-Y, a year after CNL-Y, or likely Computex 2019
-Icelake-U 15W, a year after Whiskeylake-U, or BTS 2019
-Server isn't as clear, because we don't know if Cascade Lake will launch early and do a separate Intel DIMM support in Q4, or just wait until Q4 for everything. I think a staggered launch is possible.