Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Markfw]

Early spec leaks indicated around 360W:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/specs-of-amd-epyc-genoa-cpu-leak

Intel isn't the only one pushing up per-socket power draw.

Yes, but one 96 core chip at 360 vs 2 360 watt chips that perform the same ? Intel needs to get with it.

 

[Exist50]

Yes, but one 96 core chip at 360 vs 2 360 watt chips that perform the same ? Intel needs to get with it.

SPR seems to top out at 350W. And no one was debating that there's a huge efficiency gap, but you claimed some very particular numbers that clearly don't match either platform.

 

[Markfw]

SPR seems to top out at 350W. And no one was debating that there's a huge efficiency gap, but you claimed some very particular numbers that clearly don't match either platform.

I was estimating, and not far off.... Jeesh, give me a break. Even you agree its like 2 to 1 or 100% more efficient. Why haggle on numbers that are close.

 

[Exist50]

I was estimating, and not far off.... Jeesh, give me a break. Even you agree its like 2 to 1 or 100% more efficient. Why haggle on numbers that are close.

Off by several hundred watts all told. And I don't think anyone was making into a big deal, but at the same time, if you're interested in how they compare in power, that information has been both readily available and posted to this forum in several places. It would be surprising for such a prolific member to not have seen either data point yet.

 

[Markfw]

Off by several hundred watts all told. And I don't think anyone was making into a big deal, but at the same time, if you're interested in how they compare in power, that information has been both readily available and posted to this forum in several places. It would be surprising for such a prolific member to not have seen either data point yet.

So you are saying I read every single post in every single thread ? You just like to troll me every place I post.

 

[Exist50]

So you are saying I read every single post in every single thread ? You just like to troll me every place I post.

You didn't claim to be guessing. You said, and I quote, "you can bet that 2P system is running over 1000 watts". So why was it ok for you to make that claim, but not me to correct it?

And why is it that your "guesses" always seem to radically favor AMD beyond all reality?

You constantly claim to be personally concerned with power numbers, but can't be bothered to make accurate claims?

 

[jpiniero]

From Intel's latest article: https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...tegy-design-new-xeon-processor.html#gs.gwv54z

Sapphire Rapids official launch date?

Or they will just roll with the tile model and just sell whatever they get out of that. Maybe also fire the person who thought that an 800 mm2 die was a good idea.

 

[Exist50]

Or they will just roll with the tile model and just sell whatever they get out of that. Maybe also fire the person who thought that an 800 mm2 die was a good idea.

Is it that hard to believe it's just going to launch as expected?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Maybe also fire the person who thought that an 800 mm2 die was a good idea.

Nope. That employee is going to get a bonus. Coz that's what they do at Intel

 

[nicalandia]

It would appear that Sapphire Rapids it's getting better with each BIOS Update, The first GB5 Entries were very disappointing, but now it would appear that they will be competitive with Genoa on a core for core basis.

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[lightisgood]

I have watched the whole about "Chalk Talk" event...

It looks like, because of various accelerators, SPRs achieves x3~6 perfomance (cf. ICL-SP) in major DC workloads.
This is better than I had thought.
Are SPRs and Eagle stream great jump similar to the Nehalem-EP?

 

[nicalandia]

Are SPRs and Eagle stream great jump similar to the Nehalem-EP?

Well to be honest there was nothing impressive about Core2 Xeons back then(Or Server Grade CPUs back on those days), But yeah in Niche Products(mind you that GPUs and ASIC are many times more efficient and more powerful at doing that than anything SPR-SP can mustard), this is a pretty big jump in performance.

 

[nicalandia]

Core for Core this is the fastest(Multi-Threaded) Intel Sapphire Rapids-SP processor and the most competitive with Genoa(Core for Core)

The Intel Xeon Platinum 8468 48C/96T



2S System(Two Sockets for 96C/192T)

Geekbench5: 74,853 Points

Nettrix N/A - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Nettrix N/A with an Intel Xeon Platinum 8468 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Cinebench R23

MT: 90,411 Points


V-Ray
MT: 85,766 vsamples



Sisoftware Sandra Native Arithmetic:

1,900.91GOPS

Details for Result ID 2x Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0000%@ (48C 96T 1.5GHz/3.3GHz, 48x 2MB L2, 90MB L3)

ranker.sisoftware.co.uk

 

[Henry swagger]

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&s...DKAB6BAgLEAE&usg=AOvVaw0FdRa9JW2MsaGLx6jKoefR

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Granite rapids already running 120 cores

 

[Markfw]

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&s...DKAB6BAgLEAE&usg=AOvVaw0FdRa9JW2MsaGLx6jKoefR

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Granite rapids already running 120 cores

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[Exist50]

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This appears to be the original source:

Granite Rapids 與 DDR5-6400MT/s 現蹤 Intel Innovation 2022 台北場 - BenchLife.info

AMD 已經確認會在台灣時間 11 月 11 日凌晨 2 點發表代號 Genoa 的 Zen 4 架 […]

benchlife.info

Not much info to go by. They don't even explicitly state that it's Granite Rapids. But if it is GNR, then it would be a promising sign if they have DDR5 working better on first/early GNR silicon than on mature SPR/EMR silicon. But obviously way too early to really tell.

 

[TiPH]

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[TiPH]

Xeon Max (HBM) 2023





All three of your first posts violate the no posting of images or links only. Read the rules before you post again


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[Henry swagger]

Xeon Max (HBM) 2023

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Looking good

 

[nicalandia]

So Sapphire Rapids-SP HBM has been rebranded Xeon Max?

Intel Introduces Xeon Max & Data Center GPU Max Series Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Looking good

Looking like a 3 year delayed product.

 

[lightisgood]

Supercomputing 22 - 1 | Performance Index

I guess that Genoa-X has twice Milan-X performance by 96cores, 12ch-DDR5 and AVX512.
Is Xeon MAX without "AMX effect" good product?

Maybe Xeon MAX boasts perfomance/cost and perfomance/watt.
We know that DIMM slot(12ch-DDR5) is expensive equipment and DRAM access is a waste of energy.

However, basically, I think that EMRs with HBM3 should compete Genoa-X.

 

[nicalandia]

I think that EMRs with HBM3 should compete Genoa-X.

On a Core for Core basis? Yeah, on TCO? Not in the least. 2S systems are always lower cost than 4S

 

[lightisgood]

On a Core for Core basis? Yeah, on TCO? Not in the least. 2S systems are always lower cost than 4S

General competitiveness (for revenue)...

 

[nicalandia]

You know Intel is in a Bad Shape when they can't even fact check their own product line and are looking for a headline.

Intel Announces The Worlds First x86 CPU With HBM Memory: Xeon Max 'Sapphire Rapids' Data Center CPU

Intel, today, announced the world's first x86 CPU with HBM memory: the Intel Xeon CPU Max Series. This is a product line we have previously referred to as Sapphire Rapids and will comprise of 56 performance cores (112 threads) and a 350W TDP. It features an EMIB based design divided into four...

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Xeon Knights Landing with HBM and same memory configurations.

 

[arandomguy]

Hey someone tell Intel that their Intel Xeon Phi Knights landing was a x86 CPU with HBM with the same HBM Memory Options.

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It was HMC (Hybrid Memory Cube). There were multiple competing stacked memory solutions in development at that time.

Intel and Micron Develop Hybrid Memory Cube, Stacked DRAM is Coming

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Intel’s "Knights Landing" Xeon Phi Coprocessor Detailed

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