Refresh of refreshed Raptor, possibly on Intel 4.What's coming in next fall if this fall is a refreshed Raptor?
The default for all Xeons is SNC Off.Does anyone even know what the default SNC mode is for SPR-W? Doubt it matters for, say, Cinebench, but I'd think PugetBench would be a little more interesting.
Hair brained idea as Zen 5 is due in Q2 of 2024. With most of the pandemic well behind us we should be getting back on schedule. What is this of Arrow Lake being delayed until 2025? Is this due to Apple? What's coming in next fall if this fall is a refreshed Raptor?
Well that might have very interesting implications. The EMIB latency is not just one or two cycles. And just an observation, but Intel used SNC4 mode for the benchmarks in this article. https://insidehpc.com/2022/11/recen...ake-cpus-the-desired-platform-for-ai-and-hpc/The default for all Xeons is SNC Off.
Well that might have very interesting implications. The EMIB latency is not just one or two cycles. And just an observation, but Intel used SNC4 mode for the benchmarks in this article. https://insidehpc.com/2022/11/recen...ake-cpus-the-desired-platform-for-ai-and-hpc/
Maybe ServeTheHome will eventually cover it.
Sure, but the same principle applies. Even AMD's had a very similar functionality since Rome to partition the IO die, and that's monolithic. https://developer.amd.com/wp-content/resources/56338_1.00_pub.pdfThose are Xeon Max CPU with HBM2e(every quadrant gets full access to a HBM2e stack instead of having to jump to a different tile or worst to a different socket).
That's kinda outlandish imo. If RPL-R is on Intel 4 though, I would be very happy, not due to the competitiveness of Intel changing, but because it would be so interesting for a direct node to node comparison.Refresh of refreshed Raptor, possibly on Intel 4.
If I'm reading this correctly......I imagine the timeline is something like RPL-R (specs unknown) sometime around summer-ish, Zen 5 around the same next year, and Arrow Lake maybe just in time for the holidays. There's likely going to be a few months where Raptor Lake has to hold off Zen 5, but I imagine Intel will push to minimize it.
Okay. This makes more sense. I think this Intel delay rumor was spurred by the rumor spread around last and this week that Apple is purchasing all of N3 for the next 2 years. I don't remember if they're still on N3, but I was wondering why this would be so if others were going to N3E. I've read some conflicting information on MTL-S but I think we all know it's not coming to desktop at this point and that may have been the plan all along. I get Intel wanting to push Arrowlake S on mobile only in 2025. They've still got mobile on lock but are facing stiff competition from AMD's new hardware. AMD however cannot provide as much raw product to manufacturing partners as Intel can. They can take a potential small beating or market loss there only to come roaring back with Arrowlake S. Though mobile MTL-S should provide them enough breathing room. Gelsinger stated MTL was a game changer. Whether this was a white faced lie or he really meant it is to be seen.Gelsinger told there are no delays on Arrow Lake and Intels TSMC 3nm program. I think they are aiming for a desktop launch in October-November 2024 if it's really on TSMC 3nm. Similar to ADL-S "k" timeframe, also they might use MTL-S (P) 6+8 for non K variants to lower the volume on TSMC 3nm. Mobile however is due on 2025 by the looks of it because it's on 20A which is later.
This would be their 7nm node renamed, yes?Refresh of refreshed Raptor, possibly on Intel 4.
Keep in mind this is just me shooting from the hip. Don't take it too seriously.If I'm reading this correctly......
Yes, that's what I meant by RPL-R. And officially, there's been no word that such a refresh even exists, much less what it entails. No particular leaks either.I'm guessing the RPL-R means refresh and not some secret Intel suffix here. Has there been any confirmation through sources was the refresh entails?
"S" means desktop.Okay. This makes more sense. I think this Intel delay rumor was spurred by the rumor spread around last and this week that Apple is purchasing all of N3 for the next 2 years. I don't remember if they're still on N3, but I was wondering why this would be so if others were going to N3E. I've read some conflicting information on MTL-S but I think we all know it's not coming to desktop at this point and that may have been the plan all along. I get Intel wanting to push Arrowlake S on mobile only in 2025. They've still got mobile on lock but are facing stiff competition from AMD's new hardware. AMD however cannot provide as much raw product to manufacturing partners as Intel can. They can take a potential small beating or market loss there only to come roaring back with Arrowlake S. Though mobile MTL-S should provide them enough breathing room. Gelsinger stated MTL was a game changer. Whether this was a white faced lie or he really meant it is to be seen.
Then is this a fabrication? https://www.eteknix.com/intel-slide-confirms-raptor-lake-refresh-q3-2023/Yes, that's what I meant by RPL-R. And officially, there's been no word that such a refresh even exists, much less what it entails. No particular leaks either.
Ah, thanks, missed that one. There's some wiggle room in that Intel can launch a part but not use it for certain markets (like enterprise), but at least that's a reference.Then is this a fabrication? https://www.eteknix.com/intel-slide-confirms-raptor-lake-refresh-q3-2023/
Semi off topic: You know, one thing that irks me is the lack of original sourcing of information. So this is eteknix (who?) referring to TechPowerUp referring to VideoCardz referring to HXL on Twitter... Phew!Then is this a fabrication? https://www.eteknix.com/intel-slide-confirms-raptor-lake-refresh-q3-2023/
Reminds me of one time when someone came up with such an article to support a claim made on Anandtech forums... only for us to realize the article was based on the Anandtech forum claimSemi off topic: You know, one thing that irks me is the lack of original sourcing of information. So this is eteknix (who?) referring to TechPowerUp referring to VideoCardz referring to HXL on Twitter... Phew!
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