Even a ~20% increase in ST perf, which shouldn't be crazy at all, would bring parity between Zen 5 and ARL. I struggle to see how a small percentage increase in clocks could help overcome the likely 10-20% increase in ST performance Zen 6 is likely going to bring. Not to mention thePerhaps ARL-R will fix a lot with 300-400mhz higher clocks. I also don’t think Zen 5 is going to bring some crazy 1T perf increase.
You’re more optimistic than I am.Even a ~20% increase in ST perf, which shouldn't be crazy at all, would bring parity between Zen 5 and ARL. I struggle to see how a small percentage increase in clocks could help overcome the likely 10-20% increase in ST performance Zen 6 is likely going to bring. Not to mention the
-X3D skus in gaming.
Considering 13900K is behind even the 7900X3D, what kind of rabbit is Intel gonna pull out of their hat to manage 23% higher performance in Star Citizen?Official Intel Slides Show Core i9-14900K CPU Up To 23% Faster Than AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D In Gaming
A leaked Intel slide has compared the gaming performance of the flagship Core i9-14900K with the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU.wccftech.com
we already have a very early LNL sample clocking at 4GHz and that's a 17W part. I doubt we will get this much of a clock regression with ARL-S.You’re more optimistic than I am.
Official spicy predictions:
ARL-S - 5.1ghz boost clocks, +5-7% 1T
Zen 5 - 5.2ghz boost clocks, +8-10% 1T
I think they both get similar IPC boosts. Their competitiveness against each other remains the same that it is now. After reading through the ChipsAndCheese write up and looking at what’s happened with successive cores post Apple’s Firestorm I’m fairly convinced this is what we’re going to get.
Honestly, I wonder if PTL is going to be the arch that introduces 3D stacked (or foveros base tile) cache. Intel claims Foveros Direct would be ready in 2024, so it wouldn't be too surprising to see it being used in client parts a year later. Intel has already done L4 caches in mobile parts before, and LNL already appears to have a SLC cache, so seeing something similar in PTL wouldn't be too surprising. Also, considering that PTL doesn't look to be bringing a new CPU core arch, it wouldn't be surprising to see changes in packaging/node use/ or maybe the GPU tile as well.Considering 13900K is behind even the 7900X3D, what kind of rabbit is Intel gonna pull out of their hat to manage 23% higher performance in Star Citizen?
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Either Intel chose a particular area that is very friendly to their RPL arch or they gonna get Bethesda to release an optimized update.
Even MLID mentioned that the CPU tiles of ARL, LNL & ARL+ are gonna be on TSMC N3B. It sounds a bit unlikely though. But whats surprising is that many have overlooked a very important point that Pat mentioned a few years back when MTL's CPU tile was under development.20A is for mobile and client is N3
I think ARL is getting some ADM cache variants to compete with X3D.Not to mention the
-X3D skus in gaming.
I think you misread the article. It's +23% ahead in Starfield - not Star Citizen.Considering 13900K is behind even the 7900X3D, what kind of rabbit is Intel gonna pull out of their hat to manage 23% higher performance in Star Citizen?
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Doh!I think you misread the article. It's +23% ahead in Starfield - not Star Citizen.
Posting on my phone when falling asleep. Sorry for the distraction.I hope this is what I think it is and you are OK.
Considering 13900K is behind even the 7900X3D, what kind of rabbit is Intel gonna pull out of their hat to manage 23% higher performance in Star Citizen?
Even MLID mentioned that the CPU tiles of ARL, LNL & ARL+ are gonna be on TSMC N3B.
One would hope so, but I highly, highly doubt it. I doubt they make a major change like that when they are already making massive core changes.I think ARL is getting some ADM cache variants to compete with X3D.
Uh, you do understand that even on Meteor Lake, TSMC is used for graphics, etc, right? Meteor Lake is not dual sourced, yet it is listed right there next to arrow lake. This slide (and variants of it) keep getting brought up, but I strongly suspect you folks are taking it out of context.
However, I am done having this argument. I have said my piece. We will see how things play out.
Yes, these 14900K claims are kind of ridiculous when we know it's really a 13900KS, which has been out for nearly a year. Nothing new here with the 14900K.Considering 13900K is behind even the 7900X3D, what kind of rabbit is Intel gonna pull out of their hat to manage 23% higher performance in Star Citizen?
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Looks more like a purposeful leak from the marketing division. Technically speaking, RPL-R shouldn't even exist in this day and age. A monolithic power hungry die on an ageing node.Yes, these 14900K claims are kind of ridiculous when we know it's really a 13900KS, which has been out for nearly a year. Nothing new here with the 14900K.
If Intel wanted to impress us they would "leak" a slide showing 14900K vs 13900KS. But of course then they would reveal they are releasing the same generation of CPU's.... again.
We already have the 13900KS gaming performance:Yes, these 14900K claims are kind of ridiculous when we know it's really a 13900KS, which has been out for nearly a year. Nothing new here with the 14900K.
If Intel wanted to impress us they would "leak" a slide showing 14900K vs 13900KS. But of course then they would reveal they are releasing the same generation of CPU's.... again.
Without a serious performance per watt improvement it isn't going to move the needle for the DIY community. A margin of error percentage level of gaming advantage isn't going to do anything for sales to our crowd either. Of course there is the point that unless things change, it is really no big deal how 14th gen desktop performs. The desktop market is in a historic slump. OEMs love the new shiny to help sell their stuff, so that's its best chance to have any impact.Looks more like a purposeful leak from the marketing division. Technically speaking, RPL-R shouldn't even exist in this day and age. A monolithic power hungry die on an ageing node.
But the slide does convey what they exactly want it to convey. That 14900K is a tad better than 7900X3D in gaming performance. And i think it's actually true.
It’s not a 13900KS. It’s a 13900K with +200mhz clocks at iso power.Yes, these 14900K claims are kind of ridiculous when we know it's really a 13900KS, which has been out for nearly a year. Nothing new here with the 14900K.
If Intel wanted to impress us they would "leak" a slide showing 14900K vs 13900KS. But of course then they would reveal they are releasing the same generation of CPU's.... again.
frfrTechnically speaking, RPL-R shouldn't even exist in this day and age. A monolithic power hungry die on an ageing node.
But the slide does convey what they exactly want it to convey. That 14900K is a tad better than 7900X3D in gaming performance. And i think it's actually true.
You can use different games to skew results in either way. 3Dcenter meta review puts the AMD at like <3% faster than Intel's flagship IIRC. If AMD fans want to parade that around as a win, they can lolWe already have the 13900KS gaming performance:
Don't think most people care about that tbh, esp if prices are alright. Though that's my "US-based" perspective, I think electricity elsewhere is way more expensiveWithout a serious performance per watt improvement it isn't going to move the needle for the DIY community.
yea, not to mention that if one is gaming with a high end rig they are probably using a 300 to 400 watt gpu. I dont see the expense of the additional power usage as a big deal, except is places with unusually high electricity costs. The bigger problem is cooling it and the need for a beefy power supply and motherboard.frfr
You can use different games to skew results in either way. 3Dcenter meta review puts the AMD at like <3% faster than Intel's flagship IIRC. If AMD fans want to parade that around as a win, they can lol
Don't think most people care about that tbh, esp if prices are alright. Though that's my "US-based" perspective, I think electricity elsewhere is way more expensive
Gamers generally prefer the top-end SKUs. Or the best they can afford. Power consumption isn't usually the priority. It's all about bragging rights. Measuring contest it usually is.yea, not to mention that if one is gaming with a high end rig they are probably using a 300 to 400 watt gpu. I dont see the expense of the additional power usage as a big deal, except is places with unusually high electricity costs. The bigger problem is cooling it and the need for a beefy power supply and motherboard.
True. And the leaked Intel's roadmap doesn't feel very inspiring either. 😢Without a serious performance per watt improvement it isn't going to move the needle for the DIY community. A margin of error percentage level of gaming advantage isn't going to do anything for sales to our crowd either. Of course there is the point that unless things change, it is really no big deal how 14th gen desktop performs. The desktop market is in a historic slump. OEMs love the new shiny to help sell their stuff, so that's its best chance to have any impact.