I welcome the day when Intel can beat AMD in performance and efficiency. I will switch in a heartbeat the day that happens. (like I have multiple time before). This release saddens me also as a waste of silicon and marketing.
the rolling eye emoji might become my most used emoji soon
Also a waste of silicon? Really? I get calling RKL that, it was literally worse in some scenarios than the previous generation, but RPL-R is literally just better binned RPL, and it's not so embarrassingly far behind Zen 4 that it's unusable...
but it's industry standard stuff.
Industry standard stuff... in an industry of 2 competitors for HPC desktop chips?
Calling it 14th for prebuilts would have been par for the course too?
No it wouldn't have.
OEMs had AMD name what was essentially B450 B550A so they could make it look like they had the new shiny.
What? Motherboards, really? Also, comparing AMD and Intel OEM relationships isn't exactly fair as well.
That strategy could not have gone as bad as this launch has with our crowd.
Doubt. Naming the same generation two different names for OEMs vs DIY is confusing and just plain dumb. It would have been seen as way more dishonest as well.
I meant RPL-S & RPL-R. These are all based on Golden Cove with Raptor Cove being essentially the same core.
Intel respun the dies for RPL-S. New node, and slight changes to the core. They didn't with RPL-R. That's the major difference. RPL isn't any where close to a "refresh" like RPL-R.
Then how do they refresh ARL-S? MLID’s claim about it doesn’t make sense. They’re not going to get another 200-300mhz out of ARL a year later on N3B.
They probably could.
It’d be like trying to refresh Zen 3 right now while on the same node - there’s nothing left in it since the process tech hasn’t changed.
With better binning, they prob could. Though, IIRC, Zen 3 was also launched a very mature N7, ARL is launching on a low yielding and relatively new N3.
To this forum's surprise (mine included), high-end Alder Lake did not sell well versus vanilla Zen 3 in the first two quarters after launch. After those two quarters Zen 3D was launched, so it should have been included in the comparison for later dates. We never knew exactly why Alder Lake did not sell well, but here on the forum we speculated around a number of reasons that probably added up:
Pretty sure it sold fine.
Regardless, even if not counting for sales, ADL came in reviews with a much better outlook despite consuming more power than Zen 3. Even if sales didn't exactly translate...
That being said the 12900K always had a hard time selling against the 5800X3D, and they were contemporary products for most of their lifetime. In terms of gaming performance, the average consumer saw them as ~ equal (based on media coverage at the time).
That's because the 5800x3d was esentially as performant as the 12900k at a much lower price. The entire point is comparing higher power consumption with also higher performance.
To summarize, I don't understand why you used a 12900K vs. vanilla Zen 3 as an example for power usage affecting sales.
It's literally the best example to show case that. What would you have used?
Perhaps CML vs Zen 2, which honestly might have worked as well, but that's also drastically more effected by mindshare
The focus was too narrow and Alder Lake was affected by so many other factors, isolating power to measure it's importance is a futile task without qualitative data (and all we have here is quantitative data).
Even
if I do drop the sales argument , it's pretty obvious that ADL was much better received than something like RPL-R, due to the fact that even if it consumed more power, it had more performance, just looking at reviews.
Also, ADL selling well
despite higher mobo/memory costs is actually even better proof for power being less of a concern for consumers if performance is higher, since none of the factors that contribute to ADL's sales are actively giving it an advantage vs Zen 3.
Those "other factors" you mention just strengthen the case for consumer's ignoring power when performance is relevant
They lost mind share in the Comet Lake /Rocket Lake era,
In DIY, small potatoes
and will be in danger of losing more unless Arrow Lake brings a very healthy jump in performance.
On the contrary. ARL doesn't need to improve perf, it needs to improve efficiency. The real mind share turner wouldn't be ARL imo, it would be LNL, as that's what the general public would be looking at. No one in the public really thinks Intel lacks perf, but rather it gets too hot, and again, that's because of Apple