Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[Saylick]

Hilarious!

Link: Intel - Core Truths

Snake Oil... Used car salesman...

This is a new low! (after the rear-view mirror thingy)

Wow, this is just... desperate from Intel. I could make fun of Intel for similar things they've done in the past (*cough* rehashing 10nm 10nm ESH Intel 7 for how many generations?? *cough*) but it's all in the rear view mirror, right Pat?

 

[Abwx]

but it's all in the rear view mirror, right Pat?

Someone tell him that AMD is on the rear view mirror because Intel is almost a full turn late in the circuit...

Not counting theat they are counterfaiting perfs by putting the 1355U as faster than a 7840U, that is, they brand as slower a CPU that is easily 50-60% faster than their 1355U.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wow. That really is a new low. Will AMD respond to this mud slinging attempt to save impressionable young minds of school children?

Let's recap:

Comparing their latest with Zen 2, without mentioning that their latest CPU containing laptop costs a lot more than the Zen 2 laptop

Cherry picked benchmarks

No mention of gaming performance or comparison of iGPU performance

No mention of V-cache CPUs

No battery life comparison benchmarks

Intel has hired a really crack marketing team. Kudos to them for highlighting how utterly useless they are.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I also can't imagine the OEMs (e.g., HP and Dell) really like this type of advertising from Intel since they are the ones who push for this kind of marketing to begin with. . .

HP and Lenovo marketing are gonna be like, ummm...Intel marketing, can we have some of what you are smoking?

The price difference between the cheapest 7520U and the cheapest 1335U laptop is over $100 in the local online stores in UAE. So yeah, Intel. Cash constrained households are definitely gonna get your 1335U laptops to punish AMD for their lies...

 

[Saylick]

I had to dig it up because Intel hypocrisy is just too hard to not to call out, but I remembered that the Raptor Lake lineup literally had Alder Lake SKUs for the lower tiers, yet they obviously called it all 13th Gen (you know it's the latest and greatest because the processor name has 13 in the model, which is a bigger number than 12!).

See below slide. Raptor Cove has the larger L2 cache, yet only i5K models and higher get the "new" core.


And then of course we have Raptor Lake Refresh with a new and improved... higher number in the model name! Intel's "latest and greatest", ladies and gentlemen!

 

[H433x0n]

TIL it’s okay when AMD deceptively sells products if it’s Intel that points it out.

I would’ve easily fell prey to the AMD naming scheme a few years ago when I wasn’t paying close attention to tech. There’s an unwritten rule in tech that bigger number is better.

 

[igor_kavinski]

TIL it’s okay when AMD deceptively sells products if it’s Intel that points it out.

Good for Intel for pointing that out. But the comparison is absurd. They should compare their Core i3 mobile chip with 7520U because that's what will be available in a similar price range to the AMD chip.

 

[Joe NYC]

Hilarious!

Link: Intel - Core Truths

Snake Oil... Used car salesman...

This is a new low! (after the rear-view mirror thingy)

What could possibly prompt that?

Is it possible that Intel is losing client market share (the last area where Intel is making money), and Intel execs are panicking?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Alternative explanation: clear out all existing Intel laptop inventory with any means possible. The dawn of a new era begins on Dec 15th with Core Ultra. Once Core Ultra is out, all previous Intel laptops will be viewed by the public as utter trash. Must prevent the prices from crashing so hard so do whatever possible to sell everything.

 

[H433x0n]

Alternative explanation: clear out all existing Intel laptop inventory with any means possible. The dawn of a new era begins on Dec 15th with Core Ultra. Once Core Ultra is out, all previous Intel laptops will be viewed by the public as utter trash. Must prevent the prices from crashing so hard so do whatever possible to sell everything.

well, the timing shows it’s clearly related to meteor lake. I guess they’re worried that people will think a Zen 2 mobile chip is comparable to MTL and buy that instead since it’ll be much cheaper?

I think a big problem with this article is the timing. They should’ve done this like a week after AMD unveiled this naming scheme.

 

[jpiniero]

TIL it’s okay when AMD deceptively sells products if it’s Intel that points it out.

I would’ve easily fell prey to the AMD naming scheme a few years ago when I wasn’t paying close attention to tech. There’s an unwritten rule in tech that bigger number is better.

Intel is literally launching Raptor Lake Refresh soon... which is basically a rebrand of a minor refresh. And it uses the new naming scheme to boot.

 

[H433x0n]

Intel is literally launching Raptor Lake Refresh soon... which is basically a rebrand of a minor refresh. And it uses the new naming scheme to boot.

I’m not saying I like the new naming scheme but Meteor Lake is differentiated with the “Ultra” moniker.

The refresh also has the word “refresh” in its name- it’s not attempting to hide the ball.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm suddenly getting an intense craving for Meteor Lake marketing slides

I want to see what other gems of comedy Intel's crack marketing team can come up with.

Someone leak them, please!

 

[Joe NYC]

Alternative explanation: clear out all existing Intel laptop inventory with any means possible. The dawn of a new era begins on Dec 15th with Core Ultra. Once Core Ultra is out, all previous Intel laptops will be viewed by the public as utter trash. Must prevent the prices from crashing so hard so do whatever possible to sell everything.

From connecting various dots, it appears that the volume of MTL laptops will be limited at start and ramp may be relatively slow.

So, Intel has no other option than to rely on Raptor Lake sales to laptop market. Which may in fact be reason Intel could be losing market share in laptop market.

 

[Saylick]

I'm suddenly getting an intense craving for Meteor Lake marketing slides

I want to see what other gems of comedy Intel's crack marketing team can come up with.

Someone leak them, please!

Something something about AMD gluing silicon together while MTL uses Foveros.

 

[controlflow]

From connecting various dots, it appears that the volume of MTL laptops will be limited at start and ramp may be relatively slow.

So, Intel has no other option than to rely on Raptor Lake sales to laptop market. Which may in fact be reason Intel could be losing market share in laptop market.

What is this based on?

 

[igor_kavinski]

HP selling their metallic 7520U laptops could be a particular threat for them. If it's cheap and works well, why wouldn't anyone choose the HP 7520U metallic body laptop over something like a cheap Lenovo plastic body laptop with an Intel CPU?

 

[Hitman928]

I’m not saying I like the new naming scheme but Meteor Lake is differentiated with the “Ultra” moniker.

The refresh also has the word “refresh” in its name- it’s not attempting to hide the ball.

Where does it say "refresh" in the model name? If the only differentiator is the "ultra" moniker indicating a new generation, why doesn't AMD's number format, which clearly indicates which generation it is, count? Is there any indication to the customer that the ultra SKUs are actually a new generation and not just ultra performance, or ultra efficiency, or ultra marketing? I'd much prefer that refresh SKUs don't get new labels (outside of maybe a + or something) and I don't think anyone is just giving AMD's numbering system a pass in this regard (they actually got plenty of criticism when they unveiled their numbering scheme). Unfortunately, Intel's and AMD's biggest customers want updated numbers to help them sell systems. What people are calling out is Intel's not only blatant hypocrisy on the matter but also their disingenuous comparison points, these types of things are usually what people get upset about in terms of marketing, not whatever arbitrary naming system a company uses for their products.

I honestly don't care that much as marketing for every company is always shady at best and outright liars at worst, but if you don't expect people to call out a company for criticising a competitor for doing the same thing they've done many times before and plan to do again, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Joe NYC]

What is this based on?

The dots?
- there was a post about wafer starts of MTL compute die. Not very high crediblity, but the wafer starts were low
- Intel projection of how may "AI PCs" Intel will ship in next 2 years, and IIRC, the fraction was less than half of the shipments.

Raptor Lake are the rest - the non-AI-PCs

 

[H433x0n]

Where does it say "refresh" in the model name? If the only differentiator is the "ultra" moniker indicating a new generation, why doesn't AMD's number format, which clearly indicates which generation it is, count?

I don't know how RPL-R will be named, as of now the only ones I've seen online are labeled the traditional way "14700HX"

Core 1005H
Core 155H Ultra

Which of these 2 would you think is the higher end processor?

 

[SiliconFly]

No mention of gaming performance or comparison of iGPU performance

They won't!

No mention of V-cache CPUs

They can't!

No battery life comparison benchmarks

They shouldn't!

 

[Hitman928]

I don't know how RPL-R will be named, as of now the only ones I've seen online are labeled the traditional way "14700HX"

Core 1005H
Core 155H Ultra

Which of these 2 would you think is the higher end processor?

I can guarantee you, there won't be any hint of refresh in RPL-R model names.

As far as your question, just looking at the numbers in a vacuum, I would assume the 1005H was a newer model with a new baseline of features whereas the 155H Ultra was probably an older model with top of the line features for its time.

 

[SiliconFly]

Intel is literally launching Raptor Lake Refresh soon... which is basically a rebrand of a minor refresh. And it uses the new naming scheme to boot.

Intel's 14th gen RPL refresh is nothing but GLC++ on Intel 10+++++.

Not kidding. Thats literally 5 pluses after the 10 (CanonL, IceL, TigerL, AlderL, RaptorL & now RPL refresh).

 

[dullard]

I don't know how RPL-R will be named, as of now the only ones I've seen online are labeled the traditional way "14700HX"

Core 1005H
Core 155H Ultra

Which of these 2 would you think is the higher end processor?

Could you help by including the full name or are we to go off of a truncated name?

 

[igor_kavinski]

They won't!


They can't!


They shouldn't!

Post of the day!