KBL-G is a small niche product,imo. Not that Broadwell DT wasn't.
IP6200 held it's own. Imagine if it were 72 EUs.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5675c/7
KBL-G is a small niche product,imo. Not that Broadwell DT wasn't.Iris Pro parts have mostly the same problem of graphics still sucking compared to discrete. Not to mention it had all the disadvantages of discrete graphics without the advantages of integrated. Expensive, poor battery life, used a lot of power.
That's why KBL-G is a far better idea. If its going to be expensive anyway, might as make it perform well. Really, I think KBL-G is 2018's Iris Pro.
KBL-G is a small niche product,imo. Not that Broadwell DT wasn't.
IP6200 held it's own. Imagine if it were 72 EUs.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5675c/7
I said that Broadwell DT was a niche product in my post...And Iris Pro parts were mass produced, very popular products?
High end iGPUs suck, unless it can firmly enter into a performance territory where it can command a premium and be worth it. The problem is it starts needing expensive memory like eDRAM or HBM.
The mostly widely used Iris Pro was the first generation:
-Iris Pro 5200: Apple, maybe 1-2 laptops
-Iris Pro 6200: Apple, no other laptops
-Iris Pro 580: In a single NUC, Intel's in fact. Not even Apple used this part.
They all sucked. Battery life was no better than discrete parts, it wasn't cheaper, and had lower performance.
That's why they need a fast architectural improvement. Fortunately starting with Icelake it should bring a brisk pace to GPU development, as its Gen 11, and Tigerlake is Gen 12. The one after that may be Gen 13. Previously, Intel took 2-3 years for a new gen.
The last 1 digit might be Intels new label for SKUs without iGPU, Cannonlake is the only option for such SKU. So it would make sense that the i3-8130U comes with iGPU. However if it comes with UHD 620 it is Skylake/Kabylake/Coffeelake based. Several sources say it comes with UHD 620.
As for the Ultrabooks, Intel is planning to introduce Whiskey Lake as a replacement for another 15W quad core Kaby Lake Refresh processor. In addition to the quad-core quad-core GT2 graphics unit designed in 4 + 2, it will also feature the 4 + 3 design, later known as "Coffee Lake U," which uses the GT3 graphics unit, the more powerful Shader Cores, EDRAM As a fast on-package memory, Whiskey Lake U and Coffee Lake U will feature 14 + + nm process technology.
For higher performance, Coffee Lake H plans to use Hexacore chips with TPD thermal power of 45W and will be four cores in the same footprint as the Kaby Lake H, with the reported clocking of up to 4.8 GHz and top models or will likely Is an open multiplier Core i9-8950HK. To date, Intel has introduced the Core i9 with only the Core i9-7980XE desktop processor with 18 CPU cores.
Also, let me get this straight . . . Icelake ASAP in 2019 means even Icelake-U/Y are 2019? They were supposed to ship in 2018.
Look at the time table in the title! And check out that competitive analysis slide!
Also, let me get this straight . . . Icelake ASAP in 2019 means even Icelake-U/Y are 2019? They were supposed to ship in 2018.
It says transistor density.What the heck kind of fantasy is Intel going on about? That mythical 10nm is really crushing the competition
Intel's 10nm process is roughly 1.7x the raw logic density of the next densest 10nm process, albeit due to aggressive pattering techniques they also have the most complex process available to date. The process can support multiple threshold voltages, and features 12-metal interconnect layers with the bottom two made of cobalt. This is the first time cobalt is used in a high volume production node. Because of the ever shrinking geometries the wires get smaller each node.
It says transistor density.
More cores!14nm and 22nm didn't bring anything notable for those markets.
They claim to have already shipped 10nm parts in 2017, we just can't find out where they shipped them.They are sort of hiding the truth, because by the time they have their 10nm ready, others will be close to having their 7nm. So even with their metric, the density will be equal. Fortunately for them, it looks like + variants on 10nm will not only bring performance improvement, but density as well.
But for Intel, it doesn't matter if PC/Server chips don't gain a benefit. 14nm and 22nm didn't bring anything notable for those markets.
Desktop: If they don't do an 8C Coffeelake refresh later this year, there's a possibility of Icelake in January at CES. Perhaps just the high end part, because full Coffelake lineup is coming in couple of weeks.
Server: Cascade Lake seems closer to Q3 than Q2. That means Icelake SP should be Q3 or Q4.
Hopefully late March - early April.Also, if we actually see Icelake-S at CES 2019, what would be the expected time-to-market for retail volume on those chips?
Somewhere there, and late Q1 for the big boys.Are we talking Q3/Q4 2019 for Icelake SP?
I took it to mean 19 for icelake SP, regardless of what intel PR says (server first) you still have to be able to manufacture the thing, With a modest core count increase you would still be looking at 400mm for the big boy.Are we talking Q3/Q4 2019 for Icelake SP? I don't see them releasing Cascade Lake in Q3 2018 only to release Icelake SP in Q4 2018.
So effectively, from a market perspective, 10nm is absent, so the chart is really lame. Great executing from Intel for years, but not lately - just marketing BS which many of us decried for years from competitors. Sad.They claim to have already shipped 10nm parts in 2017, we just can't find out where they shipped them.
If Intel's 10nm = other's 7nm, then Intel's 7nm should be impressive.
They claim to have already shipped 10nm parts in 2017, we just can't find out where they shipped them.
Desktop: If they don't do an 8C Coffeelake refresh later this year, there's a possibility of Icelake in January at CES. Perhaps just the high end part, because full Coffelake lineup is coming in couple of weeks.
I don't see 8C Coffeelake this year (or at all) given the current climate. We haven't even seen any ES samples or the like that we usually see for Intel chips. Granted, we didn't see a lot of that for 6c Coffeelake either.
Are we talking Q3/Q4 2019 for Icelake SP? I don't see them releasing Cascade Lake in Q3 2018 only to release Icelake SP in Q4 2018.
I don't know why people think its impossible. There's enough clues and evidence to suggest they can.
That's probably one chip.
-Intel has said they regretted not doing full Broadwell lineup back in 2015. That's despite doing that would have delayed Skylake into mid-2016.
They did release Broadwell-C though and then more or less killed it off because it was too big for the yield at the time.
But there's precious little evidence that they are. It still isn't on any roadmap, and there are no samples in the wild.