It's the other way around - they aren't doing many Icelake-SP wafers right now, based upon Intel's financials.
TigerLake in general still has to compete with IceLake-SP, so wafer allocation may not be pretty.
It's the other way around - they aren't doing many Icelake-SP wafers right now, based upon Intel's financials.
isn't the manufacturing tech of icelake SP the same like the U icelake?It's the other way around - they aren't doing many Icelake-SP wafers right now, based upon Intel's financials.
Yeah, I think ICL-SP is supposed to be fabbed with the same process as ICL-U (10 nm) and not the updated 10SF process.isn't the manufacturing tech of icelake SP the same like the U icelake?
as I understand superfin is different
so competition of wafers isn't so hot IMO
exactlyYeah, I think ICL-SP is supposed to be fabbed with the same process as ICL-U (10 nm) and not the updated 10SF process.
Do we know of any other major products on 10SF other than TGL-U? It is my understanding that Alder lake and Sapphire Rapids will be fabbed with a newer process (10 ESF) next year.
That Tiger Lake U Pentium looks to be every bit as good as The i3-1005G1 from the initial specs. Maybe it has a cut-down GPU section, but, given how well the 1005G1 does in regular day-to-day office and non-gaming home use, it'll be a good product.
Of course! I should have clarified that it may have a further reduced capability one than is in the G1's UHD 32 EUs. However, it may be a wash as Tiger Lake should have the Xe GPU, so its EUs should be more performant, and at that level or futher of cut-down, might still be faster.
Never said it was great, but, in almost all cases, I’ll take an i3-1005G1 over an equally specced Ryzen 3200u laptop. On the market, up until a few weeks ago when the prices on the low end laptops went insane, the two were roughly equivalent in price.
If true, that is pretty amazing for an intel IGP. With only a quad core cpu, I would be concerned about stutter as well.The Black Friday Icelake sale was quite attractive. But now the competition is Ryzen 4000.
As for the graphics the Icelake G1 graphics outperforms UHD 620 by 70-80% in Witcher 3. The Gen 9 graphics were particularly weak in that game, and whatever Gen 11 does fixes that. The G7 graphics is 3x the performance of UHD 620 in that game. There are few other games that's like that as well. Even Gen 11 has weaknesses. It seems to be especially true for Intel GPU architecture GPUs, telling us of the low level it was starting from.
This is why the average gains don't show everything for a new architecture. In such scenarios the Xe should outperform Gen 11 by 2.5-3x.
Referring back to Witcher 3, the better implementations of the Tigerlake laptops should enable 40 fps in 1080p High settings. You may need to get some settings down to Medium to get it to 50 fps for playability but its a monumental advance.
If true, that is pretty amazing for an intel IGP. With only a quad core cpu, I would be concerned about stutter as well.
Ryzen 7 4800U has only 23FPS in Witcher 3 FullHD with high settings and I don't think tiger Lake will be 74% faster even If we use the 28W version......
Referring back to Witcher 3, the better implementations of the Tigerlake laptops should enable 40 fps in 1080p High settings. You may need to get some settings down to Medium to get it to 50 fps for playability but its a monumental advance.
Ryzen 7 4800U has only 23FPS in Witcher 3 FullHD with high settings and I don't think tiger Lake will be 74% faster even If we use the 28W version.
On the other hand ice Lake 64EU manages 20FPS in the same game, even though It's 32% slower in Firestrike than Renoir. This just shows Firestrike score doesn't represent the actual gaming performance, so even Tiger Lake could be slower in real games compared to Ice Lake.
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Even If It doesn't manage to achieve 40FPS, It will be the fastest IGP.
Update: Intel has since shot me a note stating that they have in fact upgraded their geometry front-end, so this is not the same 1 triangle/clock hardware as on earlier Intel GPUs. Xe-LP's geometry frontend can now spit out two backface culled triangles per clock, doubling Intel's peak geometry performance on top of Xe-LP's clockspeed improvements.
There's no way around it, it's gonna be a magnificent CPU in so many aspects. Such a shame - mainly for intel - that 10nm yields don't allow it to come to desktop. I can't really work or do anything productive on a laptop for more than 30 minutes, let alone play games.
3.1 Ghz base is odd, the fastest I7-1185G7 has a 3.0 Ghz base as far as we know.
I can't really work or do anything productive on a laptop for more than 30 minutes
Yes. I do have a laptop, and cloud services pretty much make docking redundant (for me), which is very fortunate, as I hate to plug several things in and out instead of just switching on a single thing. So I'm actually quite fond of the fact that I'm allowed to have a normal desktop at work. I'm not kidding, even just navigating in Windows is a pain in the bottom for someone like me, who uses almost evety keyboard shortcut there is, and types relatively fast - on a nornal sized keyboard.You can always dock it right? I have a laptop from work, I hardly ever use it undocked unless in meeting rooms to login into the online meeting. Or do you mean due to the performance? I agree the trackpad, keyboard and more so limited screen space make any real work a problem.
Well all you have to do is refer to history. Intel made a lot of strides in over 50 years, but they were outdone by AMD many times. Intel may be down for the next few years, but they'll come back eventually. Consumers should never favor one side over another or rather they shouldn't wish for Intel to be down forever or go away. We'll have another Core situation on our hands with AMD at the top. Competition is always good for the consumer.It will be a great CPU probably , its funny to see that Intel lost so much momentum that it seems like everyone are looking for faults and the "trick" as ppl can no longer believe Intel can create the best CPU`s again , AMD did get a lot of mindshare with Zen.
Well, I prefer one over the other. It was Intel (286,386,486) Then AMD (K5,K6, Athlon), Then Intel (conroe Conroe, to to whatever in 2016), Now AMD again.Well all you have to do is refer to history. Intel made a lot of strides in over 50 years, but they were outdone by AMD many times. Intel may be down for the next few years, but they'll come back eventually. Consumers should never favor one side over another or rather they shouldn't wish for Intel to be down forever or go away. We'll have another Core situation on our hands with AMD at the top. Competition is always good for the consumer.