Just looking over die shots - something of note, In the Annotated shots, the 2MB shared L2 for Gracemont is about 2.5x the Density of the 1.25MB L2 on GC .
There are plenty of markets that would gladly tolerate Skylake level single core (or worse) for significantly higher multicore performance.
However, shouldn't it be time already for Alder Lake to get its own, proper Thread, instead of this 562 pages Jupiter? I hate Megathreads, they become way too disorganized.
It might be acceptable in some markets, but not in the hyperscaler (aka cloud) domain.
Are we sure?Too bad we’ll never see one.
Skylake level IPC is UNACCEPTABLE When Zen3 EPYC are baby seal clubbing Skylake based Xeons...
It might be acceptable in some markets, but not in the hyperscaler (aka cloud) domain.
Are we sure?
Sierra Forest is a thing.
Grand Ridge is the small 5G base station SoC using Gracemont on Intel 4.
Sierra Forest is the big Advanced Performance(-AP solution) server SoC also using Gracemont on Intel 4.
Grand Ridge being 24-cores.
Sierra Forest being 128-cores, with rumors/guesstimates of 256-core and 512-core counts. Do to the sheer size of Birch Stream AP socket(7500+ pins vs SP5@~6100 pins[Zen5-T hv/ 192c&256c options]) and the shrink from actual 7nm(EUV).
Don’t bother, they have no clue. The whole appeal behind EPYC was never about single core performance, it is about perf/watt and core density, combined.Graviton2 is based on cores with Skylake-level IPC and last I heard they have been pretty successful in getting clients to bite as part of AWS, but hey, what would the world's largest cloud computing platform possibly know about client requirements in the cloud and server domains?
So the 6+0 chip is 163 mm2. Via Andreas Schilling on Twitter.
Looks like Golden Cove is smaller than expected. That's good. ~30% increase in core area for 19% perf/clock increase and an additional pipeline is a very good result.
Napkin math timeSo 46m^2 for 2 clusters of atoms + 2 big cores + associated slices for L3 for 12MB total ?
I agree, versus Zen3 it looks like a very inefficient use of die space. Versus Cypress Cove it's a nice improvement, no doubt about it. The small cores are a new way of doing more efficient multithreading/handling of non-intensive tasks, so that is a plus as well.I disagree with you - Zen 3 core is circa 9 percent bigger than Zen 2 with 19 percent higher IPC which is far more impressive.
Btw, Golden Cove is significantly or even much bigger than Zen 3 and probably would be only a bit faster.
Gracemont is 2x the size of Tremont. Larger than expected, but little better performing than expected. Slightly on the disappointing side. Perhaps it's larger because they wanted to reach 4GHz?
The I5-12400 will be really awkard for AMD, but so has been the 9400, 10400 and 11400 and they do not seem to care at all. So is not a suprise to me if the best Intel product end up being that one.
Next year the AMD's lineup would be filled with non-X Zen3s which were B2 stepping, like 5600, 5900, if they price 5600 at well below 200$ then there's nothing to awkward. Last info about B2 is with better OC headroom and thermal. Ahhh I forgot the mobo price that have to add up though....The I5-12400 will be really awkard for AMD, but so has been the 9400, 10400 and 11400 and they do not seem to care at all. So is not a suprise to me if the best Intel product end up being that one.
I know this is very rough maths and the i9 is probably power starved, the difference between the i5, i7 and i9 shows adding each extra E core gives roughly 40% of a P core's performance when the core's fully loaded.
The E-cores are only running at a measly 3.7GHz, remember?I know this is very rough maths and the i9 is probably power starved, the difference between the i5, i7 and i9 shows adding each extra E core gives roughly 40% of a P core's performance when the core's fully loaded.
I know they were expected to be around 60% of the performance but I wonder if when fully loaded they drop further behind, a limitation of the shared l2 and ring stop perhaps?
yes, which is why i wrote performance instead of ipc.The E-cores are only running at a measly 3.7GHz, remember?