Intel E8700 coming: 6MB L2 and 10.5x Multiplier

[BonzaiDuck]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
It's too bad that the E8400 will go EOL rather than reduce price.

Well, it would otherwise overlap the higher end E7xxx series in price.

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
I'm actually stunned -- if the OP's news is true -- that they'll introduce another socket 775 processor this late in the game.

Of course they are. Haven't you heard of the new "s" series quads?

Yes -- Didn't Anand do feature article about those in recent weeks or months?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: aigomorla
266 dollar dual core that costs more then the i7 920 ???

Something about that doesnt sound right to me. How about to you guys?

and i dont care if it overclocks like mad...

Lemme rephrase that again..

a 45nm C2D wolfdale off old gen tech, costing more then a native 45nm quadcore with HT on the newer gen tech.

Socket 775 is just a tad more prevelant. If you can get to 4.3+, it will perform the same or better than a 3.8ghz i7 on apps that only use 1-2 cores, wont it?

depends on the application.

if its multi threaded, then no, a i7 would slaughter a dual core because it slaughters a yorkfield with HT on.

This is such a bad move on intel, no joke. The cpu is rediculously expensive for old gen tech.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
266 dollar dual core that costs more then the i7 920 ???

Something about that doesnt sound right to me. How about to you guys?

and i dont care if it overclocks like mad...

Lemme rephrase that again..

a 45nm C2D wolfdale off old gen tech, costing more then a native 45nm quadcore with HT on the newer gen tech.

there will still be those out there that try to hang on to 775 for that much longer, and if this chip turns out to be a monster OC'er, it'll sell like wildfire.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: aigomorla
266 dollar dual core that costs more then the i7 920 ???

Something about that doesnt sound right to me. How about to you guys?

and i dont care if it overclocks like mad...

Lemme rephrase that again..

a 45nm C2D wolfdale off old gen tech, costing more then a native 45nm quadcore with HT on the newer gen tech.

Socket 775 is just a tad more prevelant. If you can get to 4.3+, it will perform the same or better than a 3.8ghz i7 on apps that only use 1-2 cores, wont it?

depends on the application.

if its multi threaded, then no, a i7 would slaughter a dual core because it slaughters a yorkfield with HT on.

This is such a bad move on intel, no joke. The cpu is rediculously expensive for old gen tech.

It depends on your perspective. Enthusiasts are still a minority of users. I can imagine a truckload of businesses that turn over their aging stock of desktops periodically, and they wouldn't care about a paradigm shift to I7 -- even for the long run. As you say -- it depends on the application. So a lot of OEM builders might snatch up budget-priced motherboards that had been in the pipeline for a year or two, and market product lines with these "last-of-the-Mohicans" Penryn models.

Of course, that's just "speculation," but I really doubt that procurement orders for desktop boxes will specify I7 cores. Reducing power-consumption seems to be the order of the day now. Maybe you'll tell me something about I7 features that trim kilowatt-hours despite the 135W TDP.

EDIT: "Ridiculously expensive . . . ." First, the anticipated price may not say much at all about the cost to make them. It will cost Intel less because they've already found economies in production for the entire generation of Core-2's. Second, the pricing might reflect the demand for existing late-model Penryns, or attempt to anticipate the demand for these yet-to-be-shipped cores. There's the economy, of course, and those touted prices may not even materialize, even as they ship the product.

For all we know, these last Wolfdales may represent some minor refinement in their manufacturing process -- so you could almost wonder if it isn't more like "surplus inventory."

 

[JMapleton]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
It's too bad that the E8400 will go EOL rather than reduce price.

That's a shame too, the e8400 was a real champ.

 

[RallyMaster]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Why are there still 270 dollar dual core cpu's?

The hell? I'd be able to snag a Q9550 for that price. G-damn!

 

[Acanthus]

At that price point, you can get a 45nm quad.

 

[eklock2000]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
266 dollar dual core that costs more then the i7 920 ???

Something about that doesnt sound right to me. How about to you guys?

and i dont care if it overclocks like mad...

Lemme rephrase that again..

a 45nm C2D wolfdale off old gen tech, costing more then a native 45nm quadcore with HT on the newer gen tech.

Demand for i7 not there? Plus the i7 costs $229, plus mobo, plus RAM?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Originally posted by: eklock2000

Originally posted by: aigomorla
266 dollar dual core that costs more then the i7 920 ???

Something about that doesnt sound right to me. How about to you guys?

and i dont care if it overclocks like mad...

Lemme rephrase that again..

a 45nm C2D wolfdale off old gen tech, costing more then a native 45nm quadcore with HT on the newer gen tech.

Demand for i7 not there? Plus the i7 costs $229, plus mobo, plus RAM?

I actually know a guy -- an electronics tech -- who used to work for a firm on contract to the Navy servicing submarine recording devices. He was "into" computers at home for a hobby. He's disabled, and retired. Always been very frugal. I spoke to him a year ago about our contiguous real-estate in the same development and owners' association, and asked him what he was doing with his computers. He told me he was still running a Pentium III system.

Other "non-tech-savvy" folks have dumped their desktop systems, thinking that mobile-laptops are the wave of the future. They may be, but they have limitations. On our end, there are "enthusiasts," "gamers," and then your run-of-the-mill users who just "need a computer." A lot of these latter folks have just bought Dell systems featuring low-end dual-core processors, and they're not in a hurry to get a system that will simulate nuclear explosions to rival the latest supercomputer parallel-processing monstrosities. They probably paid $500 for their Dells.

There is a "big-picture" of market segments and demand. As I said, Intel could easily afford to produce a refinement of a legacy processor, because there are so many LGA 775 motherboards out there using DDR2 memory. Even the memory-makers are looking backward, producing refined high-performance DDR2 modules that have a slight edge on earlier production runs. And in this economy, the chaos-masquerading-as-order probably keeps everyone guessing, even a duopolist, dominant firm like Intel.

Looking for simple explanations, I just think that the 130W TDP spec on the I7's is telltale. Remember the Smithfields and Preslers? I think they have a way to go in refining the I7 product line. Didn't they just release it last fall? Yup -- they did.

Maybe the E8700 "advance intelligence" is just a hoax. On the other hand, it needn't be that, either. People clinging to their dollars in this economy aren't going to upgrade as readily as before, and a price-discriminating firm like Intel will try to differentiate its product and price it to make profit on low-priced and high-priced units simultaneously.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: aigomorla
266 dollar dual core that costs more then the i7 920 ???

Something about that doesnt sound right to me. How about to you guys?

and i dont care if it overclocks like mad...

Lemme rephrase that again..

a 45nm C2D wolfdale off old gen tech, costing more then a native 45nm quadcore with HT on the newer gen tech.

Socket 775 is just a tad more prevelant. If you can get to 4.3+, it will perform the same or better than a 3.8ghz i7 on apps that only use 1-2 cores, wont it?

depends on the application.

if its multi threaded, then no, a i7 would slaughter a dual core because it slaughters a yorkfield with HT on.

This is such a bad move on intel, no joke. The cpu is rediculously expensive for old gen tech.

If you can give me a couple programs that a 3.8ghz i7 would make a difference over a 4.3+ghz wolfie, and that more than 2% of PC users use, I would start to see it this way.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If you can give me a couple programs that a 3.8ghz i7 would make a difference over a 4.3+ghz wolfie, and that more than 2% of PC users use, I would start to see it this way.

I was doing the dual processor thing before it was popular (Celerons and Athlon XP->MP), so I'm no stranger to the idea of a multithreaded system. Quad-core would be wonderful for actual work at home, or things like movie editing. For gaming though, which is why I want an E8700, I just don't see why I would get an i7 920 over an E8700. I could be wrong though.

Of course, Intel may piss me off if I don't get a release date or something.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
It depends on your perspective. Enthusiasts are still a minority of users. I can imagine a truckload of businesses that turn over their aging stock of desktops periodically, and they wouldn't care about a paradigm shift to I7 -- even for the long run. As you say -- it depends on the application. So a lot of OEM builders might snatch up budget-priced motherboards that had been in the pipeline for a year or two, and market product lines with these "last-of-the-Mohicans" Penryn models.

Of course, that's just "speculation," but I really doubt that procurement orders for desktop boxes will specify I7 cores. Reducing power-consumption seems to be the order of the day now. Maybe you'll tell me something about I7 features that trim kilowatt-hours despite the 135W TDP.

EDIT: "Ridiculously expensive . . . ." First, the anticipated price may not say much at all about the cost to make them. It will cost Intel less because they've already found economies in production for the entire generation of Core-2's. Second, the pricing might reflect the demand for existing late-model Penryns, or attempt to anticipate the demand for these yet-to-be-shipped cores. There's the economy, of course, and those touted prices may not even materialize, even as they ship the product.

For all we know, these last Wolfdales may represent some minor refinement in their manufacturing process -- so you could almost wonder if it isn't more like "surplus inventory."

LOL. My company, which just shut down, had all P4 Prescott pieces of crap all over the company. That must be what doomed us. If they had flipped all their machines over to frickin' Conroes it would have shaved cycles off their compile times. (Wish me luck.)

I think Intel senses the chance to make some money for a minimal investment. Having a sku for 3.5 GHz, considering how all of us overclock the snot out of these things, seems logical to me, Aigo notwithstanding. I don't think it's a bad move at all, businesswise. Socket 775 probably has at least a year of life in it. $266 for that chip is a lot, but it plumps up Intel's margins quite nicely, which is what their investors look for. I think that's the reason for this move.

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Other "non-tech-savvy" folks have dumped their desktop systems, thinking that mobile-laptops are the wave of the future. They may be, but they have limitations. On our end, there are "enthusiasts," "gamers," and then your run-of-the-mill users who just "need a computer." A lot of these latter folks have just bought Dell systems featuring low-end dual-core processors, and they're not in a hurry to get a system that will simulate nuclear explosions to rival the latest supercomputer parallel-processing monstrosities. They probably paid $500 for their Dells.

Yeah, I just visited costco the other day and looked at the Dells and HPs they had. They were cheap duallies, e5200s and the like. Even e2200s. Scads of people buy their desktop machines from places like that and expect to keep the prices down. It's a big reason why CompUSA now pushes up daisies. But none of those folks will be running E8700 Wolfdales.

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

This is such a bad move on intel, no joke. The cpu is rediculously expensive for old gen tech.

Of all the things people on this forum say about Intel, I would like to add, that they are very good at making money.


YOU may think its a bad purchase for you. An Intel shareholder will think its another good move from a company that is a pro at making good moves.

 

[Chaotic42]

Anyone hear of any updates?

 

[Rick James]

For 300 bucks i'd buy another I7. Hell with a 266 dollar dual core

 

[Denithor]

I think you guys are missing the point - Intel doesn't drop old sockets immediately (unlike AMD - just ask anyone stuck with a Socket 939 + single-core cpu) so this move makes perfect sense. They are still in production on these chips and will continue to do so. As they have refined their manufacturing process the "tuned" chips run faster/cooler so they are able to kick up the speed rating a notch without worrying about higher claim rates etc.

For people with an e2xx0/e4x00 and a motherboard that supports the 45nm chips this kind of upgrade makes perfect sense (especially if the 45nm quads aren't supported).

Of course, the Q9550 might be a better "value" but only if you're running apps that need/use a quad. Otherwise you're just wasting power & running up your electric bill without a good reason.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Denithor
I think you guys are missing the point - Intel doesn't drop old sockets immediately (unlike AMD - just ask anyone stuck with a Socket 939 + single-core cpu) so this move makes perfect sense.

Intel has publically committed to producing E4300 chips for 7 years. (At least that's what I think that they mean, when they have a checkmark in the column labeled "7+ years mfg avail".)

 

[Tempered81]

someone may have gotten an e8700 ES at this site:


nm, it was an April fools joke... I got fooled

 

[Kraeoss]

when is this chip supposed to be released ??

 

[swanysto]

I would get one of these in a heartbeat.

 

[error8]

Why do people even care about this? For the super uber high price it will be released, you could get a quad and that seems much more important than a highly clocked dual core, seeing that games are starting to adopt 4 cores ( GTA4 for example).

 

[Kraeoss]

well then it'll kick down the E8500 to where i want it price wise ;D

 

[swanysto]

Originally posted by: error8
Why do people even care about this? For the super uber high price it will be released, you could get a quad and that seems much more important than a highly clocked dual core, seeing that games are starting to adopt 4 cores ( GTA4 for example).

What about for those of us who do not play GTA4? And those of us who do not encode, edit, or create videos or graphics in anyway? I traded away my Q9300 for an E8500 and it performs better in every application/game I use. Quad core is overrated for most of us. Even in the games that allow 4 cores, they are simply not programmed well enough to make a huge difference, not to mention most games post CS:Source based are GPU instead of CPU driven.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: swanysto

Originally posted by: error8
Why do people even care about this? For the super uber high price it will be released, you could get a quad and that seems much more important than a highly clocked dual core, seeing that games are starting to adopt 4 cores ( GTA4 for example).

What about for those of us who do not play GTA4? And those of us who do not encode, edit, or create videos or graphics in anyway? I traded away my Q9300 for an E8500 and it performs better in every application/game I use. Quad core is overrated for most of us. Even in the games that allow 4 cores, they are simply not programmed well enough to make a huge difference, not to mention most games post CS:Source based are GPU instead of CPU driven.

True, but with time things will change and I, at least, would feel better if I had a Q9550 at 3.9 ghz for example, instead of an E8700 at 4.5 ghz, if they'd be both priced the same of course.

 

[Tempered81]

Listed on a chinese website today:

http://so.pcpop.com/cgi-bin/pdt?query=e8700