Intel G3 SSD's postponed till Febuary 2011?

[dangerman1337]

Well if you were looking for Intel to bring out the G3 this christmas, your're going to be a bit disapointed...

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/86-storage/41173-intel-postpone-25nm-ssds-to-february-2011.html

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

nothing wrong with a reliable HDD

 

[Voo]

nothing wrong with a reliable HDD

Apart from the fact that modern HDDs are lots of things, but not that reliable and abysmal slow you mean?

Too bad, though I wouldn't buy one in either case.. got a G2 for my desktop and laptop, the biggest selling point will be gb/$ so no reason to upgrade if you've got enough space..


Does that mean that SF will be the first to the market with 25nm flash?

 

[Sind]

Boo I was hoping they would be available before xmas.

 

[edved]

Well nordichardware's news is certainly a contradiction of what was being reported as early as August' Intel's SSD Roadmap Leaked - X25-M G3 Confirmed for 2010.

This may explain why there was no information forthcoming at IDF just days ago. Too bad!

Guess, I'll have to wait a little while longer to replace my G1 drive.

G.

 

[FishAk]

I certainly hope these guys are wrong about a delay. It's quite possible, considering the sloppiness of this article:

“The market adjusted capacity is the big news. Performance will not be changed from current G2 models.

Intel's G3 series of SSDs is not expected to hit stores until February, but will bring noticably better performance then. ”

So which is it? Will performance not be changed from current G2 models, or will G3 “bring noticably (sic) better performance”?

“Unfortunately we will have to wait longer before Intel actually launches the drives, but that also gives us some more time to dig up more detailed information on the performance and specifications.”

One would think an earlier launch would give sooner information on performance and specs, no? One could simply test the drive, with no need to “dig” anything up.

I find it highly unlikely the author meant to say: “highlyunlikely”. Is it so hard for someone- especially in the technology field- to use a spellchecker?

I never went to business school, but if the performance of the G3 drive is an improvement, than why not take advantage of supply and demand by launching better drives sooner for more margin? I wouldn't buy one, but plenty of people who need/can't resist more performance will. Less of the new drives out in the wild would give an opportunity to discover more problems before the masses start buying as well. This would give them that “reliability” advantage; such as it is. On it's face, the reason this article gives for a delay certainly isn't intuitive to me.


If there is no performance boost, and the only advantage is more capacity for the same price, than a delay could make sense. Intel would like to milk their current drives as long as possible, and if they aren't watching competitors coming up in their rear-view, they might want to wait till they can flood the market, and drown out their competition's profits. If they can churn out high capacity drives for much less than the competition's better but small drive, the mass market will go to them. In this case, a delay is really bad, as it not only means no cheaper drives soon, but also, unimproved performance for considerably longer.

“This is just a qualified speculation on our behalf.”

Let's hope they aren't as qualified as they think.

Where are those hybrids?

 

[razel]

Hey FiskAk, I also re-read the article. Sounds like they'll be a new 120GB G2 SSD with 'Performance will not be changed from current G2 models.' G3 will still have performance increases, but it's looking like 02/2011 when we'll see 'large quantities.'

At this point, I like to be happy and like the Sweds, I think, who are the happiest in the world, I'll try not to expect too much.

 

[FishAk]

LOL Good catch there, razel. My head was spinning too fast, thinking about those tall blue eyed blonds, and I read right past that. Talk about a badly written what?


I wonder what “Market adjusted capacity” means. Intel has 80 and 160Gb now, so splitting those in the middle to have a size more comparable to their competitors doesn't hit me as big news.


Well then, if we can expect more performance, they must be having troubles with their G3 controller that they don't anticipate being able to fix for a year or so. This will give their competitors a little jump. They won't be able to afford to allow SF to have the smaller chips before they get their camp in order. SandForce would get too much of a head start. The next move will be for Intel to buy SF.

 

[ksec]

So basically there will be new G2 which will be Cheaper / or larger capacity.
Then we will have G3 in early 2011 with higher speed?

Sounds like a Tick - Tock Model for me on SSD.

 

[FishAk]

Sounds like a Tick - Tock Model for me on SSD.

It's more like: Tick- Cough- Tick- Tock

 

[edved]

Perhaps Anand could shed some light on this.

G.

 

[Old Hippie]

The market adjusted capacity is the big news. Performance will not be changed from current G2 models.

Looks like "market adjusting" is referring to lower memory prices and increased drive size for the same prices.

AAR, I like the delay.....it should keep the prices high for my used G2s.

 

[bad_monkey]

I have been waiting ohh-so patiently for the G3's to come out to buy an SSD. I really hope they don't delay their release.

 

[FishAk]

AAR, I like the delay.....it should keep the prices high for my used G2s.

This is what I like. There is ALWAYS a silver lining.

 

[Voo]

This is what I like. There is ALWAYS a silver lining.

Prize I bought my 160gb G2: 358€
Cheapest one atm: 375€

Best investment ever

 

[rgallant]

I have been waiting ohh-so patiently for the G3's to come out to buy an SSD. I really hope they don't delay their release.

-same here

 

[edved]

I have been waiting ohh-so patiently for the G3's to come out to buy an SSD. I really hope they don't delay their release.[/Q

Same.

 

[taltamir]

When chip giant Intel launched the second generation SSDs in 2009 the demand outpaced the supply long into 2010. The good news is that Intel does not intend to make the same mistake with its third generation SSDs.

I don't get it... why is that a mistake to launch before you have a sizable amount of product?
it causes price inflation, and a feeding frenzy mentality in customers (aka, buying if they wouldn't have before, out of fear it will not be available later).

Intel, or any company for that matter, only stands to benefit from there being less supply than demand. Its called a sellers market and is every manufacturer's wet dream...

 

[semo]

I was expecting sometime next year to be the earliest you can get a 3rd gen intel SSD. I remember the G2s were permanently out of stock for at least 3 months after they came out.

I got my hopes up earlier today when I searched for some news on the G3 and couldn't find any indication of a delay.

http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/59436-intel-idf-sandforce-ssd-satadimm.htm?vc=1
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/09/19/intel-25nm-flash-chips-spotted/

I doubt that even current gen drives will drop in price by Q1 next year if this news is true

 

[IntelUser2000]

I don't get it... why is that a mistake to launch before you have a sizable amount of product?
it causes price inflation, and a feeding frenzy mentality in customers (aka, buying if they wouldn't have before, out of fear it will not be available later).

Intel, or any company for that matter, only stands to benefit from there being less supply than demand. Its called a sellers market and is every manufacturer's wet dream...

My take is it optimizes profits versus the current selling products. While few of the enthusiasts might know about the delay, most people won't.

 

[taltamir]

My take is it optimizes profits versus the current selling products. While few of the enthusiasts might know about the delay, most people won't.

I do not understand what you are saying here...
I take it that the it (fourth word) is the practice of releasing with no inventory (aka, paper launch), and you are saying it optimized profits vs current products... does that mean that it increase profits? what did you mean with the "vs." specifically?

 

[Emulex]

dunno how they are going to keep up with the enteprise/midline ssd demand. peepz want their mlc 800gb ssd's right now for their servers. mmm custom x16 raid controller 6gbps to each ssd with a ginormous capacitor backed ram cache (FBWC). can't wait to load up 8 or 16 in a dl380 and see what kinda damage can be done (speed wise). spreading the heat/power/logic across several bays - brilliant - a new super fast raid controller with trim (even the consumer line needs this built in intel matrix raid for ssd).

The enterprise market is going to gobble up most of the production i'm guessing. been waiting so long.

 

[Voo]

I do not understand what you are saying here...
I take it that the it (fourth word) is the practice of releasing with no inventory (aka, paper launch), and you are saying it optimized profits vs current products... does that mean that it increase profits? what did you mean with the "vs." specifically?

Well my take on it is, that as soon as Intel releases the G3 drives, the G2s will need some price cuts, so they'd have to sell the G2s for less but couldn't really recoup any losses with G3s because they just wouldn't have enough.

As long as the G2s are fit for competition it'd be unreasonable to rush to the market, especially since their opponents don't have the 25nm advantage either.

 

[IntelUser2000]

As long as the G2s are fit for competition it'd be unreasonable to rush to the market, especially since their opponents don't have the 25nm advantage either.

Exactly.

 

[LokutusofBorg]

I don't get it... why is that a mistake to launch before you have a sizable amount of product?
it causes price inflation, and a feeding frenzy mentality in customers (aka, buying if they wouldn't have before, out of fear it will not be available later).

Intel, or any company for that matter, only stands to benefit from there being less supply than demand. Its called a sellers market and is every manufacturer's wet dream...

It can actually hurt a company's reputation and make people *not* wait for the product to become available.

"You said you're selling it, why can't I buy one? Well, then I'm going to your competition and probably not coming back."