Intel G3 SSD's postponed till Febuary 2011?

[RU482]

you'll be back

 

[FishAk]

I agree with taltamir. Baring a problem, it makes more sense to offer a limited volume for more margin. They could keep the price high, meaning it wouldn't hurt the G2 price, and still sell to those who need the volume/performance for a healthy profit. It also gets the 3G into the wild sooner- giving more time to discover potential problems.

If there is a delay, I think it indicates a significant problem with their new controller, or with the actual chips, that they don't think they can fix soon.

 

[Old Hippie]

Baring a problem, it makes more sense to offer a limited volume for more margin.

You mean like last time when the retail prices were inflated and created good will all around?

 

[eappleto]

then again, all of this is being based off the notion that it is, in fact, postponed. As fish pointed out, the author's credentials aren't really known (nor their review process lol). Has anyone been able to confirm/deny that it is postponed?

 

[taltamir]

You mean like last time when the retail prices were inflated and created good will all around?

yes, EXACTLY like last time... "good will"? what the heck is "good will"?
Intel is a business out to make money, besides which, customers have very little loyalty.

I agree with taltamir. Baring a problem, it makes more sense to offer a limited volume for more margin. They could keep the price high, meaning it wouldn't hurt the G2 price, and still sell to those who need the volume/performance for a healthy profit. It also gets the 3G into the wild sooner- giving more time to discover potential problems.

If there is a delay, I think it indicates a significant problem with their new controller, or with the actual chips, that they don't think they can fix soon.

I think that is the real issue... there is some sort of problem with the new design that requires a delay.

 

[Old Hippie]

"good will"? what the heck is "good will"?

Scarasm meter broke?

 

[taltamir]

Scarasm meter broke?

wait, you were being sarcastic? sorry but it doesn't work too well on the internet. I thought you were being 100% serious there
I try to put a [/sarcasm] tag on mine to make sure people get it.

 

[Tom80112]

I was waiting for a G3 but Feb 2011 is too just far away.
Who makes the fastest "real world usage" SDD for an XP partition and various applications?

I was thinking one of these but I am not sure which is best:
X25-M G2 80GB
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB
Crucial C300 64GB

Has anyone A/B'd any of the above?

Thanks!

 

[flamenko]

The X25 has reliability.
the OCZ has speed but no reliability.
The C300 is futureproof.

Ide go for the c300 with the possibility that you may add an adapter later on which will bring you into the SATA3 world.. Its a nice drive.

 

[capeconsultant]

The X25 has reliability.
the OCZ has speed but no reliability.
The C300 is futureproof.

Ide go for the c300 with the possibility that you may add an adapter later on which will bring you into the SATA3 world.. Its a nice drive.

Well said Les!

 

[LokutusofBorg]

The OCZ has speed but no reliability.

Did OCZ not agree to advertise on your site or something? This is a pretty irresponsible thing for you to say when you are trying to establish yourself as a credible authority for SSD "reviews".

A quick perusal of the OCZ offerings on newegg shows an average 4/5 eggs on almost every drive. We have been running multiple Vertex 2's at work for months now with zero problems. I think it's patently ridiculous for you to continue spewing your bias against OCZ in every thread on here.

 

[flamenko]

I dont know what reviews you are reading but try this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-528-_-Product

Thats a Vertex 2 and its a 16% death rate. I watch it constantly and have seen it as high as 20%. Thats 1 in 5-6 drives is dead within the first few weeks. And if you look you were right, 4/5 eggs. You just need to look at the people who have given only 1-2 eggs and read why.

Thats the truth. We seem to go through this weekly.

Now, let me give you another example. Go to Google and simply Google OCZ SSD. Have them send you the new threads daily and daily you will find people crying for help for their dead drive.

Yes... I will agree 100% that OCZ is one of the top 2 producers. That being said 1 in 5-6 is still way too many bricked drives.

If you follow 10-11 sites daily as I, you will see that is is always the same MO... The drive either isn't recognized right off or within the first 2 weks this starts to occur until it just doesn't work anymore.

I am very happy you haven't had a problem with your drives but the reality is pretty simple.

And I come to some 10 technology sites daily simply to assist others with straight and supported facts, no more no less. I understand you own the drive that I spoke of and there was no malous towards you or others whatsoever. I simply think that we need to see the glass as half empty just as we see it half full.

 

[LokutusofBorg]

You've obviously never taken even a basic statistics course. Internet reviews on shopping sites don't constitute a data set that you can extract a "death rate" from.

"We" go through this weekly because multiple people take turns calling you out on your BS and you constantly lose the arguments but then continue posting your dribble.

 

[flamenko]

Ok lets see if we can stay on track here because you seem to be shooting yourself in the foot so to speak. I stated something that I could back up. You responded by using a 'internet review on shopping site' to brag that the drive gets 4/5 eggs. I then went to the exact article, linked it and returned it to you and pointed out that there is a 16% death rate right now on that drive and then you tell me that internet reviews are a poor method and don't constitute data.

Well then, after that I even suggested another method of supporting my point.

So lets go all out here. Support your last point and find a thread where some one called me out in the last week. You are like a scared rat in a corner quite frankly and your afraid to believe your drive is any less than perfect. You need to rely on the belief that everyone will jump in and the crowd mentality will prevail. Whos the stronger my friend?

I didn't resort to insults as you and backed up my point of view completely. Can you?

EDIT... Your are right about one thing. I never took a basic statistics course but I can tell you that the number of e-mails I get on troubled OCZ drives trumps the same of every other drive. I still try to help them out though as I would you...regardless.

Check this... http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=481275

 

[LokutusofBorg]

...We seem to go through this weekly...

..."We" go through this weekly because...

So lets go all out here. Support your last point and find a thread where some one called me out in the last week. You are like a scared rat in a corner quite frankly and your afraid to believe your drive is any less than perfect. You need to rely on the belief that everyone will jump in and the crowd mentality will prevail. Whos the stronger my friend?

Statistics *and* logical fallacies... you're racking them up.

You don't even realize that if you'd just used a word other than "*no* reliability" then it wouldn't have earned my attention in the least. I've posted numerous times that people should choose Intel if they want higher reliability with lower performance, SandForce if they want higher performance with lower reliability.

When I like a company/product I will certainly defend it against hyperbole and what appears to be an outright smear campaign. But I'm not some naive fanboy like you're trying to make it out to be.

 

[taltamir]

The X25 has reliability.
the OCZ has speed but no reliability.
The C300 is futureproof.

Ide go for the c300 with the possibility that you may add an adapter later on which will bring you into the SATA3 world.. Its a nice drive.

1. All three have reliability up the wazoo. Besides which, you should be backing up your stuff, not counting on "reliability" to protect you.
2. the C300 isn't futureproof...
the C300 has SATA3, advertised performance of:
355MB/sec (SATA 6Gb/s) 265MB/sec (SATA 3Gb/s)

A. this isn't that big a different
B. You can get it to work at SATA3 speeds today by getting a compatible controller (aka, a little extra money)

 

[Old Hippie]

there is a 16% death rate right now on that drive

I see 6 dead drives from 56 ratings and that looks to be @ 10.7%.

On the other hand I see for the Intel G2 10 dead drives from 374 ratings which is 2.7%.

If I added my 3 dead Intels it'd be 3.5% but that's no fun.

For me Newegg ratings are just another purchasing tool but I do take the time to discount "questional" reviews.

Since I already own the OCZs and Intels I vote you go with the Crucial unit and tell us all about it!

 

[Tom80112]

So if I count Sandforce drives out for reliability reasons, which drive is faster for OS
everyday usage?

Crucial C300 64GB
or
Intel X25-M 80GB

Thanks..

 

[taltamir]

I posit that if a person's drive dies on him / is DOA, he is much MUCH more likely to go on newegg and leave a review than someone who has no problems and just wanted to inform people how non dead their drive is.

Which only compounds on other issues, such as the sample size being too small...

 

[IntelUser2000]

If there is a delay, I think it indicates a significant problem with their new controller, or with the actual chips, that they don't think they can fix soon.

Remember they pulled X25-M G2 firmware after a few weeks of release? The G2 wasn't trouble free either. I know they were hit twice, but forgot the exact details. I think another one was one of the updates for G1.

It'd be wise to fix the error even if its a delay. Much of the Halo on the product is tarnished among average buyers when its recalled. Even a big company like Intel needs experience to build up before they solidify their products.

RU482 has the awesomest signature.

 

[OCGuy]

Honestly anyone sitting on the sidelines with a mechanical boot HDD has no reason to wait for a G3. The benefits of going mechanical ----> current SSDs are far greating than those sitting on the current gen and trying to upgrade.

I can't think of a single reason a non-enthusiast wouldn't have at least an 80GB boot/game drive already....

 

[capeconsultant]

I am still liking my Corsair NOVA but would love something even bigger faster and cheaper ASAP! I never want to hear the whine or feel the vibration of a spinner ever again!

 

[caspur]

Nothing yet on Intel retail edge site. Hopefully they will have the 300gb for $120 during the sale this winter. I'm still pissed I missed the free 160gb G2 they gave out at the Denver Iron Man event. They called the number before mine, and the number after mine!

 

[Echo147]

...Hopefully they will have the 300gb for $120 during the sale this winter...

I want what you're smoking

X25-M 160gb x 2 currently = $860

We'll be lucky to see the 300gb launch for under $450.

 

[taltamir]

Honestly anyone sitting on the sidelines with a mechanical boot HDD has no reason to wait for a G3. The benefits of going mechanical ----> current SSDs are far greating than those sitting on the current gen and trying to upgrade.

I can't think of a single reason a non-enthusiast wouldn't have at least an 80GB boot/game drive already....

I can... price.
The G3 uses new 25nm chips, which reduce the cost of production to LESS than half what they currently are for many sizes (a large cost is the chip stacking, each "chip" you see is actually a stack of 4 to 32 chips, and the more you stack the more expensive it is to stack them... so increasing the size per chip means less stacked chips; that being said, on the lowest size models it is minimally stacked, so their prices should only go down 33%-50%, not more than 50%... also, cost of production reduction =! instant cost to consumer reduction since there is limited demand)

All that being said, price should go down with the new process type... and if you haven't bought one YET then it means the price was too high for you until now (or you lived in a cave and somehow haven't heard of SSDs).