News Intel GPUs - Battlemage officially announced, evidently not cancelled

[Mopetar]

Unless AMD plans to release something in the next 3 months, they should just bite the bullet and do a rebadge. People seem averse to buying older hardware, but launch the same card as a 7600 or whatever and suddenly people will buy it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't think he tests the very latest driver here? He is using the A750 so still a good update. He also feels it isn't quite there for recommending to casuals.

 

[igor_kavinski]

launch the same card as a 7600 or whatever and suddenly people will buy it.

It can also backfire a la AMD is lying!

 

[VirtualLarry]

GraphicallyChallenged thinks that A770 will edge out 3070, eventually.

 

[Tup3x]

Looks like Intel is making moves in the GPU market with their Battlemage and Celestial GPUs booked in at TSMC! This could signal a new chapter for Intel in the graphics card space, and it's exciting to see what kind of performance and capabilities these GPUs may bring. Competition in the GPU market is always beneficial for consumers, and it will be interesting to see how Intel's offerings stack up against other players in the industry.

They are already building their GPUs at TSMC.

Are you a bot?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Fabio followed up with the latest drivers. Cyberpunk'd and Dead Space, along with F1 2022 are among some of the biggest improvements. I am not certain why he didn't use XeSS in 2077, opting for FSR instead.

 

[Tup3x]

Gotta say, at this rate the drivers should be in pretty good shape when Battlemage launches.

 

[Heartbreaker]

GraphicallyChallenged thinks that A770 will edge out 3070, eventually.

Outside of times where you need more than 8GB of RAM, I'm not very optimistic of that.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Gotta say, at this rate the drivers should be in pretty good shape when Battlemage launches.

The progress has been astonishing. Biggest fix needed is Gandalf needs to run full speed on older systems. Mandatory rebar eliminates them for too many potential buyers.

 

[MrTeal]

The progress has been astonishing. Biggest fix needed is Gandalf needs to run full speed on older systems. Mandatory rebar eliminates them for too many potential buyers.

It doesn't matter what speed he runs, he arrives precisely when he means to.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Outside of times where you need more than 8GB of RAM, I'm not very optimistic of that.

I quoted the wrong post, correct post below.

 

[Hans Gruber]

GraphicallyChallenged thinks that A770 will edge out 3070, eventually.

I have seen this guy on youtube a few times. I do not think he does his own tests or any tests on any of the cards he claims to be reviewing. I think he plagiarizes or borrows test results from known review sites and creates graphs that are close to their results. His reviews are always trailing known review sites by a week or more.

Before the Arc A770 was released it was said on paper to be equal to a 3070 and a bit more but less than a 3080. That has been well known for quite some time.

Intel said many months ago that the Battlemage GPU's would be their entry into the flagship market and that the 4080 was their target. Problem is that Battlemage is going to be close to a year behind schedule.

The ARC GPU's are more than a year and a half behind schedule. That is why we are seeing these cards compared to the 3060/3060ti and 3070.

The A750 has seen much better results than the A770 with driver improvements. The A750 is already at 6650XT and 3060 levels.

AMD could end the party with $300 6800 and $350 6800xt prices. The 7600 and 7700 cards are around the corner.

I will sit back and watch but the A750 is the only Intel card worth looking at $225 when it was on sale. Once it hits $199, then they will sell a bunch of A750 cards.

 

[igor_kavinski]

First instance of giving away an Intel GPU? https://videocardz.com/newz/japanese-retailer-to-bundle-free-arc-a750-gpu-with-geforce-rtx-4090

 

[Tup3x]

First instance of giving away an Intel GPU? https://videocardz.com/newz/japanese-retailer-to-bundle-free-arc-a750-gpu-with-geforce-rtx-4090

I don't know how what their popularity means (sold, views, basket adds or mix of everything) but but A750 seems to be rather popular on that site. Though, if you look at
30001 - 95000円 price bracket it's pretty obvious why it is like this.

 

[Aapje]

First instance of giving away an Intel GPU? https://videocardz.com/newz/japanese-retailer-to-bundle-free-arc-a750-gpu-with-geforce-rtx-4090

What an absurd bundle. Why would you need an Intel GPU when you get a 4090?

This reeks of the Newegg shenanigans where they bundled their exploding power supplies with video cards during the mining boom, since no one wanted the PSU's, but people were willing to pay the premium due to the boom, even though they didn't care for the PSU.

It really suggests that no one wants the a750, unless they price it down to an embarrasing level, which harms their brand perception. So they instead engage in shenanigans.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Disappointed in PCWorld's 6 month update. Bit of a puff piece with little substance. No real exploration of the features or how they have evolved. Quick anecdote about stability being fine. Wish list for future features and improvements. All of the games are DX12 or Vulcan other than CSGO.

He could have at least captured some MW2 gameplay to show XeSS in action instead of saying it helped performance and looked great in the games he played. Lazy stuff. Our own members here put out more effort.

 

[psolord]

First instance of giving away an Intel GPU? https://videocardz.com/newz/japanese-retailer-to-bundle-free-arc-a750-gpu-with-geforce-rtx-4090

That's more like it!

You put the A750 for rendering and the 4090 on the second slot for physx! Profit? xD

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A750 vs 6600XT vs RTX 3050 in game afterburner used.

A750 looks good against the 3050 here. Last bench is Sons of the Forest and something is nerfed on the A750 in that game. Driver issue maybe, or else he made a mistake on settings used. Because ARC is using much more vram and ram than the other 2 cards.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Fabio has A770 16GB vs 6650XT vs 3060 12GB. He tests raster, ray tracing, and upscaling at all 3 most popular resolutions. He includes rebar off for ARC which is interesting since we rarely see how badly it is affected when not in use, anymore.

I don't understand why he uses the 6650XT instead of 6700/XT. He also turns down textures to medium on it when the others don't need it in the tests. I have to wonder if he paid attention when testing some of the games using the 8GB card, because it seems highly improbable textures were loading correctly at the res and settings he tested in some vram demanding titles. The Radeon comes out looking better than it really is. It is in a weird spot price wise and I'd step up to the next level. Again, it is a poor pick because of its price and vram vs the others.

A770 wins in RT = well done. However, with or without it, frame pacing is still not there in some games, which has to get addressed. Nothing takes me out of a game more than lack of smooth play.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Arc A770 comes out as the 4K champ in the 12 game average.

It's like a hungry beast. Feed me MOAR pixels!

 

[Aapje]

Arc A770 comes out as the 4K champ in the 12 game average.

Well, a champ in the sense that it beats the other cards. The framerate is still unacceptable.

This of course just reflects that the chip is underperforming. The 256 bit bus is twice that of the 6650 XT and 50% more than the bus of the 3060 12 GB. So it would suit a 3070-level of chip more and apparently that is what the A770 was supposed to achieve, but it doesn't.

The excessively wide bus just adds to the cost of the card and increases Intel's losses.

 

[MrTeal]

You would hope it's better than a 6650XT and 3060; it's a 406 mm² 21.7B transistor die. That's bigger than the 6750XT and 3070 Ti.
It's fine to look at it as really a half decent first step towards dGPUs and I am interested to see what Battlemage brings, but just in a vacuum Alchemist is a pretty disappointing GPU.

That said, Intel's losses are not my problem and at <$350 for the 16GB version it's competitive now and shouldn't have any VRAM issues even in the future which is certainly more than you can say for the GA104 8GB cards or the 4060 Ti.

 

[Heartbreaker]

That said, Intel's losses are not my problem and at <$350 for the 16GB version it's competitive now and shouldn't have any VRAM issues even in the future which is certainly more than you can say for the GA104 8GB cards or the 4060 Ti.

Intels losses are our problem if they are too big for too long, and Intel pulls the plug on discrete GPUs.

That doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and buy one to support them though. Ultimately a product has too stand or fall on it's own merits.

 

[Aapje]

That said, Intel's losses are not my problem

In the long run, consumers always pay for bad price/performance, one way or the other. Either prices go up, we lose a competitor, or they start cutting costs in ways we may not like.

Making GPUs is so expensive that they can't afford to subsidize a highly inefficient product for all that long. Intel better shape up for Battlemage.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It has been a case study in the importance of timing. 18 months earlier and they would have sold them as fast as they could make them, at double the money or more. When it finally gets to market, the market is drying up worse than Lake Mead last summer.

The 3rd iteration is called Celestial. Well, the stars had definitely better align by then, or the heat death of their dGPU universe will be upon them.