Maybe some limitations come into play when dealing with more Xe2 cores.Is intel low-balling BMG performance increase of "+50%" ?
It looks like its almost 2x core vs core and 4x EU vs EU...
I did a quick napking math comparing mtl/a370m/a770m with desktop variants for timespy/wildlife.Maybe some limitations come into play when dealing with more Xe2 cores.
DRIVERS DRIVERS DRIVERS.Im curious too see how this will translate to gaming.
Intel said part of Alchemist's compatibility and performance issues were due to hardware. That's why they needed so much hand-tuning on Alchemist to get around the deficiencies. Battlemage should need lot less and perform better. They did a Day 1 game demo on a prototype Lunarlake system at Computex.DRIVERS DRIVERS DRIVERS.
In Intel's current financial situation, that's gonna be a bit of a problem.
I think they are lowballing1.5x is based on timespy says the footnote. It should be greater in many games where Alchemist struggled. Timespy was fine on Alchemist.
Lunarlake clocks the same or slightly less than MTL's iGPU. Battlemage dGPU will clock higher than Alchemist, thus arriving at the ~2x mark. It looks like at the same clocks it might do better than 50% so maybe it'll beat 2x too?I think they are lowballing
1.5x is for lunar lake xe2 implementation. Compare a770m vs a770 its ~30% faster in timespy/wildlife.
Even if its 1.5x A770 that puts it around 20k timespy but i bet it will be higher. Like i said around 21.5k
Also 1.5x A770 is 39.3k (wildlife) so i was spot on with my est.
Didnt think about doing 1.5x A770 thanks.
For the price i think it will be almost ~$500I did a quick napking math comparing mtl/a370m/a770m with desktop variants for timespy/wildlife.
Based on the two different leaked timespy and wildlife scores:
32xe2 core Battlemage DGPU should score somewhere around:
~ 21.5K in timespy
Close but slower then 7900xt/4070ti super
Faster then 7900gre/4070ti
Wildlife extreeme: ~ 39.5K (may be the LNL sample were thermal limited in this test and clocks are lower vs timespy)
Little slower then 4070 super
~7900gre
Looks like RDNA4 competitor
~400mm2 die 19GT/s mem maybe 400$-449$ ?
I think people would line up for 400-449$ 16GB card thats ~7900gre and ~4070super.
Im curious too see how this will translate to gaming.
I would love to see Intel price Battlemage at $500 and then see their cards sit on store shelves or in online store warehouses. They can't do that. Not with competing cards with better drivers. They need to offer the performance of a $600 at $500 price point for gamers to want to risk going with them. Only people who would get Battlemage at $500 would be tinkerers or those who want something new to play with. Not serious gamers who care about a trouble free gaming experience.For the price i think it will be almost ~$500
Yeah but i guess they can always try with 500 and drop to 450 like amd did with Zen5 🤣🤣I would love to see Intel price Battlemage at $500 and then see their cards sit on store shelves or in online store warehouses. They can't do that. Not with competing cards with better drivers. They need to offer the performance of a $600 at $500 price point for gamers to want to risk going with them. Only people who would get Battlemage at $500 would be tinkerers or those who want something new to play with. Not serious gamers who care about a trouble free gaming experience.
Not happening cause the die is almost 400 mm2 N4 for the top sku 450 is most likelyBattlemage needs to be $399, because the top dies are said to come middle of next year. It's nearly a year away. Looking at their luck, they'll probably have to sell Battlemage at same price as Alchemist.
AgreedI think it'll sell, but they'll need to bring everything in. <10W idle power, even with 1440p and multi monitor setups, greatly improved compatibility and Day 1 support, ReBar impact less than <3%, and 4070 Ti performance at $349-399.
It has very significant changes and we already know what they are. Intel has been quite open about those. I'm not sure what bigger jump they are supposed to make with Celestial.Rumor mills are saying that Battlemage has relatively small changes and it is Celestial that will make a big jump in terms of compatibility, performance per watt, and performance per mm2.
I'm not sure what bigger jump they are supposed to make with Celestial.
Intel themselves have already talked about pretty deep changes though. They have been layed out in detail when Lunarlake was unveiledRumor mills are saying that Battlemage has relatively small changes and it is Celestial that will make a big jump in terms of compatibility, performance per watt, and performance per mm2.
Battlemage needs to be $399, because the top dies are said to come middle of next year. It's nearly a year away. Looking at their luck, they'll probably have to sell Battlemage at same price as Alchemist.
I think it'll sell, but they'll need to bring everything in. <10W idle power, even with 1440p and multi monitor setups, greatly improved compatibility and Day 1 support, ReBar impact less than <3%, and 4070 Ti performance at $349-399.
MLID is 90% wrong 100% with intel leaksIntel's next-next-gen Celestial and Druid GPU rumor: no discrete GPU, will be GPU Tile on APUs
Intel is reportedly killing off its next-gen discrete GPUs, with next-gen Celestial and Druid GPU architectures arriving as APU Tiles after Battlemage.www.tweaktown.com
Supposed to be a brand new architecture. But MLID says that Intel is considering axing Celestial and Druid dGPUs and just keeping the APU tiles.
They might change their minds if Battlemage sells well though.
Even if he is wrong, Celestial isn't coming until 2026. Long, long wait. Rumors point to it having 32GB GDDR7 so might be finally the flagship part that Intel should have launched ARC with.MLID is 90% wrong 100% with intel leaks
2025 PTL is Xe3 🙂Even if he is wrong, Celestial isn't coming until 2026. Long, long wait. Rumors point to it having 32GB GDDR7 so might be finally the flagship part that Intel should have launched ARC with.
Integrated GPU is one thing but making it work in dGPU efficiently without it turning into a furnace is the bigger challenge.2025 PTL is Xe3 🙂