News Intel GPUs - Battlemage officially announced, evidently not cancelled

[DavidC1]

We know a little better about Xe2's performance now.

They are claiming 30% performance improvement with lower power, for a total perf/watt gain of 2x.

Lunarlake clocks lower, so ~50% faster per clock. With higher clocks, Battlemage has every chance of being ~2x the performance as rumored. Boy oh boy did specs change a lot from way back then. From being a 2560 EU quad tile, to a 64 Xe2 core one, to now a 32 Xe2 core but much faster per Xe2 core

It has very significant changes and we already know what they are. Intel has been quite open about those. I'm not sure what bigger jump they are supposed to make with Celestial.

That's why I said "relative". I means Celestial has much bigger changes. It's said Celestial is where they have aim of taking the performance/watt, compatibility, and performance lead.

 

[gaav87]

We know a little better about Xe2's performance now.

They are claiming 30% performance improvement with lower power, for a total perf/watt gain of 2x.

Lunarlake clocks lower, so ~50% faster per clock. With higher clocks, Battlemage has every chance of being ~2x the performance as rumored. Boy oh boy did specs change a lot from way back then. From being a 2560 EU quad tile, to a 64 Xe2 core one, to now a 32 Xe2 core but much faster per Xe2 core

That's why I said "relative". I means Celestial has much bigger changes. It's said Celestial is where they have aim of taking the performance/watt, compatibility, and performance lead.

You got me scared with the BMG- comes mid 2025 but its false.
There werent any 64 xe2 core part. The shipping manifests showed 448EU (56cores) but they used old XE metric of 1core=16eu and XE2 is 1core=8eu.
So the 448EU from shipping manifests were actually 28xe2 core. It was named BMG-X3 b34. But they swaped to 32xe2 "recently" (~1year 2months ago is the earliest TVTV sample chips). BMG-X3 is still in latest drivers as well as G21 and G31.

X3=28core
x2=20 or 24 core (not sure may be both)
G31=32core

 

[gaav87]

Going by this chart XE2 is 40% faster clock for clock.
Going by sisofsandra benchmarks of the 20 and 24 core bmg.
Clock is ~2700mhz thats another +17% over A770.
So best case scenario avg. +57% over A770.
Using gamers nexus benchmarks it puts it between 4070 and 4070 super. Not that good.

 

[DavidC1]

You got me scared with the BMG- comes mid 2025 but its false.
There werent any 64 xe2 core part.

Buddy, they exist. Every rumor and leakers good and bad talked about it. You have seen the old roadmap with G10 listed? Well, that's the 64 Xe core with wildly different specs too. It had 128MB cache too.

Linux and drivers had BMG versions with 4 tiles and 2560EUs too.

Going by this chart XE2 is 40% faster clock for clock.
Going by sisofsandra benchmarks of the 20 and 24 core bmg.
Clock is ~2700mhz thats another +17% over A770.
So best case scenario avg. +57% over A770.

40% + 17% is 63.8%. You don't add them. And 31% plus 2.25/2.05 = 44% not 40% so in total it's actually 68%.

Also it's still a prototype so clocks are lower. It's supposed to be beyond 3GHz.

If it's only 68% though it'll fail.

You got me scared with the BMG- comes mid 2025 but its false.

Battlemage dGPU comes end of this year, but the full on 32 Xe2 is mid 2025. Celestial is going to be the same, but 2 years later, so Q4 2026 and Q2 2027. Celestial must be a titanic advancement if they have any chance of taking leadership. I hope it's on 18A or something rather than the early rumors of it being N3. N3 on 2027... man.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Demo day of F1 24 I think? Ultra 200 versus Strix point, it looks like similar performance which is encouraging. Vid will start at correct time -

 

[511]

40% + 17% is 63.8%. You don't add them. And 31% plus2.25/2.05 = 44% not 40% so in total it's actually 68%.

Also it's still a prototype so clocks are lower. It's supposed to be beyond 3GHz.

If it's only 68% though it'll fail.

Isn't it wrong for dGPU cause if it has 2.7 ghz clock speed A770 has 2.1 clock roughly ~28% more and 44% per clock around 84% performance

Intel® Arc™ A770 Graphics (16GB) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Arc™ A770 Graphics (16GB) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

And according to TPU should be between 6900XT and 3090

 

[DavidC1]

Isn't it wrong for dGPU cause if it has 2.7 ghz clock speed A770 has 2.1 clock roughly ~28% more and 44% per clock around 84% performance

A770 clocks higher in games. 2.3GHz is realistic. Though 3GHz was said by many for Battlemage.

6900XT in mid-2025 won't be enough. Although that's 1080p and Unreal Engine 5 games drags down the whole scores a bit.

 

[511]

A770 clocks higher in games. 2.3GHz is realistic. Though 3GHz was said by many for Battlemage.

Perhaps

6900XT in mid-2025 won't be enough. Although that's 1080p and Unreal Engine 5 games drags down the whole scores a bit.

for most people intel is targetting should be good enough if you want the supreme performance we have the only option Nvidia

 

[gaav87]

Buddy, they exist. Every rumor and leakers good and bad talked about it. You have seen the old roadmap with G10 listed? Well, that's the 64 Xe core with wildly different specs too. It had 128MB cache too.

Linux and drivers had BMG versions with 4 tiles and 2560EUs too.

40% + 17% is 63.8%. You don't add them. And 31% plus 2.25/2.05 = 44% not 40% so in total it's actually 68%.

Also it's still a prototype so clocks are lower. It's supposed to be beyond 3GHz.

If it's only 68% though it'll fail.

Battlemage dGPU comes end of this year, but the full on 32 Xe2 is mid 2025. Celestial is going to be the same, but 2 years later, so Q4 2026 and Q2 2027. Celestial must be a titanic advancement if they have any chance of taking leadership. I hope it's on 18A or something rather than the early rumors of it being N3. N3 on 2027... man.

Nah sorry bullcrap 4070super AT BEST on, a good day.
32(cores)x8(eu)x32(fp32)x2700mhz=22,12TFLOPs of FP32 or 24.57(3000mhz)
(A770=19.66 / 6950xt=23,65)
You expect miracles even if its 68% its still slower then 6800xt/4070super... Not even talking about 6950xt. For it to match 6950xt it would need to be 1.9x A770.

Show me proof of 64xe2 core. I have proof of 448EU G10 that was 28xe2 cores with old ACM 1core=16eu so in reality it was miss-typed as 448eu and had 224eu...

 

[gaav87]

Demo day of F1 24 I think? Ultra 200 versus Strix point, it looks like similar performance which is encouraging. Vid will start at correct time -

So it looks like 8xe2 cores = 16rdna3 cores
So 32xe2 cores = little faster or on pair with 7800xt.

 

[igor_kavinski]

So 32xe2 cores = little faster or on pair with 7800xt.

Too bad Battlemage's life will get a bit harder with RDNA4. They gotta work harder to at least leap just a tiny bit ahead of AMD.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Too bad Battlemage's life will get a bit harder with RDNA4. They gotta work harder to at least leap just a tiny bit ahead of AMD.

The biz side is going to limit adoption in the DIY space. Uncertainty about the company's, and especially, the division's future isn't confidence inspiring. Some with hard feelings over the way they have handled the CPU failures will avoid them too (myself among them). They have to win on price performance, and it looks increasingly like they can't afford to do that either.

Grain of salt - I read a rumor this may be one of the businesses they are looking to sell off. Proposed at the forthcoming meeting. Chinese would probably jump at the chance if that happened. Their attempts at a national GPU company have not been going swimmingly from what I gather.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Grain of salt - I read a rumor this may be one of the businesses they are looking to sell off. Proposed at the forthcoming meeting. Chinese would probably jump at the chance if that happened. Their attempts at a national GPU company have not been going swimmingly from what I gather.

That may actually turn out be a boon for us, IF the company is headquartered in the US and they are bound by US laws to not propagate spyware/malware through drivers. Based in China? No way I'm installing those drivers on a daily use PC. And then will be forced to run pirated games on such a PC. Who wants to risk losing their Steam credentials to the Chinese?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That may actually turn out be a boon for us, IF the company is headquartered in the US and they are bound by US laws to not propagate spyware/malware through drivers. Based in China? No way I'm installing those drivers on a daily use PC. And then will be forced to run pirated games on such a PC. Who wants to risk losing their Steam credentials to the Chinese?

They want a Chinese GPU maker for their own market. Forget the rest of the world. If Intel was selling off the GPU biz, I think they would be the ones buying if permitted to, that's all. I don't think they'd be coming for the Western market directly anytime soon.

 

[igor_kavinski]

They want a Chinese GPU maker for their own market. Forget the rest of the world. If Intel was selling off the GPU biz, I think they would be the ones buying if permitted to, that's all. I don't think they'd be coming for the Western market directly anytime soon.

Then that would be a grave loss

 

[igor_kavinski]

Anyone remember Nvidia's offhanded tactics trying to prevent board makers from using Intel GPUs?

They got subpoenaed! http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/nvidia-blackwell-in-q4-2024.2614751/post-41291137

 

[gdansk]

So it looks like 8xe2 cores = 16rdna3 cores
So 32xe2 cores = little faster or on pair with 7800xt.

8 N3B Xe2 cores + LLC = 8 N4P RDNA3.5 WGP.
So it's hard to know how BM will compare when LNL is a bit different and so is Strix Point.
But I was concerned they would need at least 2.25x perf/w.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Anyone remember Nvidia's offhanded tactics trying to prevent board makers from using Intel GPUs?

They got subpoenaed! http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/nvidia-blackwell-in-q4-2024.2614751/post-41291137

I doubt that claim is going to hold up. Nvidia IS the best, and DOES win on merit. Intel reeks of desperation if they made the claim. If it is true, Intel should just declare touché! Klingon proverb - revenge is a dish best served cold. Preventing Nvidia from making chipsets = dished up deliciously.

 

[gdansk]

Nvidia IS the best, and DOES win on merit.

Irrelevant. Nvidia is paranoid. They want to see if they pressured vendors not to sell Radeon and Arc GPUs. And it is almost a certainty that they have. Not that they needed to do so but GPP shows that they'll do it anyway.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I doubt that claim is going to hold up. Nvidia IS the best, and DOES win on merit. Intel reeks of desperation if they made the claim. If it is true, Intel should just declare touché! Klingon proverb - revenge is a dish best served cold. Preventing Nvidia from making chipsets = dished up deliciously.

I think it would be Intel AND AMD that made the claim because I have a NIB ROG liquid cooled 6800 XT that has ASUS printed NOWHERE on the box. I'm pretty sure that Nvidia forbid them to do that.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Nvidia IS the best, and DOES win on merit.

This should be irrelevant if their claims are proven to be true.


If Nvidia offers a better product with better margins, then the competition should still be able to offer competing products at a lower price. And Nvidia is known for engaging in practices that attempt to stop this dynamic.

 

[511]

Well you can edit an 8k video on LNL to a limited extended powered by their MFX

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831505146737525128

 

[DavidC1]

Irrelevant. Nvidia is paranoid. They want to see if they pressured vendors not to sell Radeon and Arc GPUs. And it is almost a certainty that they have. Not that they needed to do so but GPP shows that they'll do it anyway.

Well, with actual 0% marketshare as registered they are doing that themselves.

Grain of salt - I read a rumor this may be one of the businesses they are looking to sell off. Proposed at the forthcoming meeting. Chinese would probably jump at the chance if that happened. Their attempts at a national GPU company have not been going swimmingly from what I gather.

I don't think they want to sell, but with bad enough financials really anything can happen. While a lot of failures are due to previous management, at this point you can say that Pat did contribute to their current failures too.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Well, with actual 0% marketshare as registered they are doing that themselves.

I don't think they want to sell, but with bad enough financials really anything can happen. While a lot of failures are due to previous management, at this point you can say that Pat did contribute to their current failures too.

- If they're selling, they sure as **** aren't going to try to sell to China. I can see the Govt suing to block that sale in a heartbeat on National Security grounds.

 

[igor_kavinski]

My bet would be Nvidia. They after all bought 3dfx and promptly shelved their cards, even though there was no reason why Geforce and 3dfx cards couldn't co-exist. Glide had considerable developer support. They could've produced 3dfx cards for a few years, even could've shrunk the crazy big Voodoo 6000. Jensen would love to kill ARC. He probably hates that Intel got even this close to threatening his dominance in GPUs.