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Consider the overall negativity of the ARC reviews why are they out of stock at many of the larger retailers like NewEgg?

Either they are selling or there isn't any supply?

Newegg is many larger retailers Hulk? Microcenter is the only other place you can buy one first party, and they have very limited reach and supply.

If Intel does kill off the retail consumer dGPU, they will be missing an opportunity for certain. Read the comments for the video I am about to link. ARC is like that ugly dog adopted from the shelter. You love it even more, because it is supposed to be unlovable. The derp squad keep asking if rebar is turned on over and over, looking for reasons why it sucks. I laugh every time one of them tells him to use DXVK. Sure man, let's keep using workarounds not provided by the manufacturer to make their product perform better. That most definitely is the end user experience everyone is looking for.

^_^ /collectors...

Has to be. You can buy both models on Ebay and other market places NIB from scalpers. One douche has sold 2 A770 LE 16GB for $500 each, and has one left. How does that card make any kind of sense at $500? It doesn't, which tells you buyers did it because they think it is collectable. It also isn't voting with their wallet to welcome player 3; that card was already sold.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Intel Hardware based XeSS scaling is quite good. HWUB says DLSS > XeSS > FSR:

 

[Hulk]

Newegg is many larger retailers Hulk? Microcenter is the only other place you can buy one first party, and they have very limited reach and supply.

If Intel does kill off the retail consumer dGPU, they will be missing an opportunity for certain. Read the comments for the video I am about to link. ARC is like that ugly dog adopted from the shelter. You love it even more, because it is supposed to be unlovable. The derp squad keep asking if rebar is turned on over and over, looking for reasons why it sucks. I laugh every time one of them tells him to use DXVK. Sure man, let's keep using workarounds not provided by the manufacturer to make their product perform better. That most definitely is the end user experience everyone is looking for.

Has to be. You can buy both models on Ebay and other market places NIB from scalpers. One douche has sold 2 A770 LE 16GB for $500 each, and has one left. How does that card make any kind of sense at $500? It doesn't, which tells you buyers did it because they think it is collectable. It also isn't voting with their wallet to welcome player 3; that card was already sold.

Wouldn't the "douche's" be the ones who bought them?

 

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Wouldn't the "douche's" be the ones who bought them?

I certainly hope you are not suggesting we should support the filthy scalpers, that are buying the very limited supply, to resell them for profit? Because if you are, you will get dragged hard. Scalpers are bad mmkay? I don't know why you would use quotes around douches, I only used it because profanity is not permitted.

I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say these d-bags buying 3 cards to sell for a profit is a bad thing for everyone but themselves.

If you are happy they are being sold, no matter to whom, ask yourself why that is. There is no good reason to want scalpers involved, ever. They are parasites.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Intel Hardware based XeSS scaling is quite good. HWUB says DLSS > XeSS > FSR:

I like Tim's breakdown

TLDW

It works better as a hardware implementation. Much better results than DP4a. You can inset Nick Cage you don't say gif here.

Could not get through the whole vid without pointing out bugs, even if not related to XeSS.

The real issue is getting game devs to use it, since it is tiny fraction of the market. This would require sponsoring games to use it. Given the current economic conditions, there is no way anyone at Intel should be signing off on that. Better to see if the demand is there, sell the cards, then let market share drive adoption.

 

[Hulk]

I certainly hope you are not suggesting we should support the filthy scalpers, that are buying the very limited supply, to resell them for profit? Because if you are, you will get dragged hard. Scalpers are bad mmkay? I don't know why you would use quotes around douches, I only used it because profanity is not permitted.

I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say these d-bags buying 3 cards to sell for a profit is a bad thing for everyone but themselves.

If you are happy they are being sold, no matter to whom, ask yourself why that is. There is no good reason to want scalpers involved, ever. They are parasites.

I'm only in support of a free and open market. Arbitrage is part of it. I am definitely against anything illegal.

 

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I'm only in support of a free and open market. Arbitrage is part of it. I am definitely against anything illegal.

EDITED/ retraction issued.

 

[igor_kavinski]

With Intel cards, maybe the scalpers themselves are the fools

 

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With Intel cards, maybe the scalpers themselves are the fools

If they stay in too long they will be. They are getting away with it for now due to low stock, and because people are stupid. They probably think it really is limited edition.

 

[Hulk]

Don't make me put on the Hulkbuster suit! It is a tech forum, so I can't tell you what I think of your position. Didn't expect anyone here to admit they support those filthy scalpers. On reflection, nothing I write on the topic would be as bad as the admission itself. Reprehensible.

ARC is bad enough without having to pay some troll that inserted themselves in the supply chain. A fool and their money are soon parted. Fortunately there aren't enough cards for there to be many fools getting scammed.

I don't support the scalpers. What they do sucks. No argument there.
The point of my original post was that it's hard to believe that people would actually pay $500 for an ARC card!

 

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I don't support the scalpers. What they do sucks. No argument there.
The point of my original post was that it's hard to believe that people would actually pay $500 for an ARC card!

Okay my bad. *Cancels the initialization protocols on Hulkbuster suit*

 

[igor_kavinski]

The point of my original post was that it's hard to believe that people would actually pay $500 for an ARC card!

Love at first sight can be hard to resist. I HAVE to control myself any time I see an attractive card

 

[igor_kavinski]

Okay my bad. *Cancels the initialization protocols on Hulkbuster suit*

CRYSIS averted!

 

[maddie]

I'm only in support of a free and open market. Arbitrage is part of it. I am definitely against anything illegal.

Free market? With free money until very recently allowing this behavior to be profitable with easily accessible capital individuals? Biggest joke in a while. Close to if not zero interest rates allowed this distortion and we're all paying for it with higher prices, even if we don't buy from the scalpers. Being legal doesn't always lead to good outcomes as bad laws do exist.

I don't doubt your personal integrity but don't misunderstand what is a really a free market.

 

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Free market? With free money until very recently allowing this behavior to be profitable with easily accessible capital individuals? Biggest joke in a while. Close to if not zero interest rates allowed this distortion and we're all paying for it with higher prices, even if we don't buy from the scalpers. Being legal doesn't always lead to good outcomes as bad laws do exist.

I don't doubt your personal integrity but don't misunderstand what is a really a free market.

If you have a financial newsletter, I'd like to subscribe. You and Bryan/TechYesCity do a kick butt job of explaining the financials involved with the PC market.

 

[Hulk]

Free market? With free money until very recently allowing this behavior to be profitable with easily accessible capital individuals? Biggest joke in a while. Close to if not zero interest rates allowed this distortion and we're all paying for it with higher prices, even if we don't buy from the scalpers. Being legal doesn't always lead to good outcomes as bad laws do exist.

I don't doubt your personal integrity but don't misunderstand what is a really a free market.

I'm sorry but I don't know what a "capital individual" is?

Are we talking about the US and the hundreds of billions of dollars the current president printed up thus diluting existing currency? Not sure what you are referring to exactly? Don't underestimate someone from a comment or two that you don't fully understand or have complete context. I'm not a 30 or 40 year old kid exasperated with the "system" that won't let them succeed. I fully understand financial markets and entrepreneurship having been a part of the system for over 50 years.

We obviously have different views on this and that's great actually. I'm not inclined to support and over-regulated, over-"lawed," and taxed system. I think government should stay out of people's way and allow them to succeed. I could be wrong on this point but it's my point of view.

While I don't agree with people scalping computer parts, concert tickets, or whatever they can find legally at a price lower then market and resell for a profit. But they take a risk and they aren't forcing anyone to buy their overpriced merchandise. Many individuals lose their shirts on such gambles. And it IS part of a free market/trade system. I also don't agree with micromanaging financial markets. Responsible oversight yes, micromanaging no.

If you like big government and fine-tuned state control of markets that's a perfectly acceptable point of view and I can respect that, but I simply disagree. That's why we vote.

Have a good day.

 

[Hulk]

Okay my bad. *Cancels the initialization protocols on Hulkbuster suit*

We all know how the Hulkbuster suit battles end. There will be a little fight with some exchanging of blows, then the Hulk will get really mad and rip the suit apart! Doesn't matter who's in it, always ends the same way. Could be Tony Stark, General Ross, or the Leader, the Hulk eventually takes them down and them leaps away to be left alone from "puny humans."

 

[Hulk]

Free market? With free money until very recently allowing this behavior to be profitable with easily accessible capital individuals? Biggest joke in a while. Close to if not zero interest rates allowed this distortion and we're all paying for it with higher prices, even if we don't buy from the scalpers. Being legal doesn't always lead to good outcomes as bad laws do exist.

I don't doubt your personal integrity but don't misunderstand what is a really a free market.

Maddie,

I must admit I took offense to your remark about me not understanding what a free market really is. I didn't want to edit my original post because I don't like going back on my words/thoughts.

I didn't like how this thread was going honestly.

I reacted to Da Punisher remark that the scalpers are douches. Perhaps, but how about the people that buy from them, not the sharpest tools in the shed either?

Then I was kind of warned/threatened to get my mind straight or be "dragged hard" whatever that means.

I've been here since the beginning and always felt free to express my thoughts without fear of repercussion so long as they weren't hateful, which they were not.

Next I was informed about my inability to understand the free market because I believe that when people can find a way to make a buck legally they should be allowed to pursue it, whether I agree with it or not. And I do not agree with scalpers but I do agree with their right to take the risk and do it.

I don't want this to blow up as none of us have the time and we are too smart for that.

 

[maddie]

Maddie,

I must admit I took offense to your remark about me not understanding what a free market really is. I didn't want to edit my original post because I don't like going back on my words/thoughts.

I didn't like how this thread was going honestly.

I reacted to Da Punisher remark that the scalpers are douches. Perhaps, but how about the people that buy from them, not the sharpest tools in the shed either?

Then I was kind of warned/threatened to get my mind straight or be "dragged hard" whatever that means.

I've been here since the beginning and always felt free to express my thoughts without fear of repercussion so long as they weren't hateful, which they were not.

Next I was informed about my inability to understand the free market because I believe that when people can find a way to make a buck legally they should be allowed to pursue it, whether I agree with it or not. And I do not agree with scalpers but I do agree with their right to take the risk and do it.

I don't want this to blow up as none of us have the time and we are too smart for that.

What I meant was that once you manipulate money, the basis for all commerce, you can't, almost by definition, have a free market. I believe, we have mostly lost sight of that. Not only the US, but all large economies are guilty. The US, China, the EU, etc.

I didn't see any threats. My perspective obviously, and yes, different opinions should be argued/debated, sometimes strongly, without anger or malice.

Keep well.

 

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We all know how the Hulkbuster suit battles end. There will be a little fight with some exchanging of blows, then the Hulk will get really mad and rip the suit apart! Doesn't matter who's in it, always ends the same way. Could be Tony Stark, General Ross, or the Leader, the Hulk eventually takes them down and them leaps away to be left alone from "puny humans."

Except I will project a hologram of Betty, you'll revert to puny Banner, and tranquilize dart you.

You HAVE been here since the beginning. I would think you'd have a thicker skin, and know that unpopular opinions never go unchallenged. That post above almost sounds like you are playing the victim card. The atmosphere here is often a little too formal and stilted for my taste. I guess I am build different.

 

[Hulk]

Except I will project a hologram of Betty, you'll revert to puny Banner, and tranquilize dart you.

You HAVE been here since the beginning. I would think you'd have a thicker skin, and know that unpopular opinions never go unchallenged. That post above almost sounds like you are playing the victim card. The atmosphere here is often a little too formal and stilted for my taste. I guess I am build different.

All good. I'm pretty thick-skinned actually. I misjudged the tenor of your post.

Misunderstanding averted! Let's carry on!

 

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All good. I'm pretty thick-skinned actually. I misjudged the tenor of your post.

Misunderstanding averted! Let's carry on!

Right on.

BTW if you watched Dawid's vid, ray tracing was the impressive part.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel ARC A770 review

Intel finally submitted their ARC A750 and A770 for review. In this article, we'll have a peek at the A770. The new graphics card from intel positions itself in a mainstream segment slightly north of... Introduction

www.guru3d.com

PERFORMANCE SUMMARY:

Hitman 3 Ultra quality 4K beats RTX 2070 Super
Assassin's Creed Valhalla Ultra quality 4K beats 6650 XT
Far Cry 6 Ultra quality 4K beats RTX 2080
Witcher 3 Max Detail 4K beats RTX 2070
Forza Horizon 5 Extreme Quality 4K beats RTX 2080
F1 2022 4K Ultra High Quality with RT beats 6650 XT
Cyberpunk 2077 4K with RT matches RTX 3060 and RX 6800
Watch Dogs Legion 4K with RT beats 6750 XT
Unigine Superposition Extreme Quality (resolution not mentioned) beats RX 6800
3DMARK Hybrid RT matches RTX 2080 Super
3DMARK FULL PATH RT beats RTX 3070
BASEMARK DX12 beats RTX 2080
3DMARK TIMESPY beats 3060 Ti

Have we seen bugs?

Yes, let me quickly sum them up.

• Unigine Superposition shows above-normal performance
• Fora Horizon shows graphics anomalies
• 3DMark Raytracing test crashed once
• Far Cry 6 at Full HD showed an abnormal performance drop and lower FPS
• Far Cry 6 at WQHD showed an abnormal frametime plot
• GPU at IDLE draw 40 Watts.

Other than that, we've not seen massive disturbances in the force. These are all things that can and will get solved.

Performance varies wildly from game to game.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The real issue is getting game devs to use it, since it is tiny fraction of the market. This would require sponsoring games to use it. Given the current economic conditions, there is no way anyone at Intel should be signing off on that. Better to see if the demand is there, sell the cards, then let market share drive adoption.

IMO, what should happen, and probably will eventually, is that Microsoft builds a scaling API into DirectX, and the GPU makers do their implementation as they see fit. Just like they do for Ray Tracing.

The current situation where you have 3 different implementations that all take essentially the same inputs, but require unique developer effort for each doesn't make sense, and should be factored to a common API.

 

[João Bortolace]

Intel ARC A770 review

Intel finally submitted their ARC A750 and A770 for review. In this article, we'll have a peek at the A770. The new graphics card from intel positions itself in a mainstream segment slightly north of... Introduction

www.guru3d.com

PERFORMANCE SUMMARY:

Hitman 3 Ultra quality 4K beats RTX 2070 Super
Assassin's Creed Valhalla Ultra quality 4K beats 6650 XT
Far Cry 6 Ultra quality 4K beats RTX 2080
Witcher 3 Max Detail 4K beats RTX 2070
Forza Horizon 5 Extreme Quality 4K beats RTX 2080
F1 2022 4K Ultra High Quality with RT beats 6650 XT
Cyberpunk 2077 4K with RT matches RTX 3060 and RX 6800
Watch Dogs Legion 4K with RT beats 6750 XT
Unigine Superposition Extreme Quality (resolution not mentioned) beats RX 6800
3DMARK Hybrid RT matches RTX 2080 Super
3DMARK FULL PATH RT beats RTX 3070
BASEMARK DX12 beats RTX 2080
3DMARK TIMESPY beats 3060 Ti



Performance varies wildly from game to game.

Perf/W is not bad