News Intel GPUs - Falcon Shores cancelled

[coercitiv]

The only real loser will be AMD. They are lacking in both performance/watt and performance/$.

No no no! AMD already told us they are focusing on market share next year! /s

AMD deprioritizing flagship gaming GPUs: Jack Huynh talks new strategy against Nvidia in gaming market

The battle seems to be over before it starts.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

No no no! AMD already told us they are focusing on market share next year! /s

If true, they need to get rid of ALL RX 7600 8GB in a firesale soon and then launch a 12GB RX 8000 card that beats Intel by at least 10% at all resolutions, offers superior AI powered upscaling and doesn't sell one dollar above $260.

 

[coercitiv]

If true

Ofc it ain't true. If only Intel were in better shape, we could have had quite the show. Then again, maybe we'll get some anyway.

 

[Kepler_L2]

If true, they need to get rid of ALL RX 7600 8GB in a firesale soon and then launch a 12GB RX 8000 card that beats Intel by at least 10% at all resolutions, offers superior AI powered upscaling and doesn't sell one dollar above $260.

12GB version of N48 is a lot higher perf than B580.

 

[igor_kavinski]

12GB version of N48 is a lot higher perf than B580.

Hmm...then maybe the fight will be at $349.99 vs. B750 12GB?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Umm, I'm using a more contemporary definition by Google's explanation.

Let's try "Let's Freaking Go" but with more NSFW vernacular.

- Huh, I was betting on Liquid Fart Gas. A shart, if you will. Learn something new every day.

No no no! AMD already told us they are focusing on market share next year! /s

AMD deprioritizing flagship gaming GPUs: Jack Huynh talks new strategy against Nvidia in gaming market

The battle seems to be over before it starts.

www.tomshardware.com

- Here we go again. AMD keeps trying this and it keeps not working.

Nvidia is not Intel and is perfectly happy competing on price with their mainstream parts and floating them with the high end AMD conceded.

Then again we all know its just marketing bukake to paper over changing internal priorities at AMD.

 

[poke01]

Honestly, LFG. A solid 12GB card at that less than $300 price point, it’ll be up against the 3060 12GB and I hope it clobbers it.

Why hope? It will destroy it. This GPU is against the 4060 ti.

It will bring such amazing performance, it will kill all Nvidia and AMD cards at this price range.

N48 won’t be priced at $259 and for most people 4060Ti level performance is plenty good for $260.

 

[poke01]

Also it’s more likely B580 is the only BMG card launching this year. That likely means Intel will have low end, AMD mid range and Nvidia will have the high end.

 

[blckgrffn]

Why hope? It will destroy it. This GPU is against the 4060 ti.

It will bring such amazing performance, it will kill all Nvidia and AMD cards at this price range.

N48 won’t be priced at $259 and for most people 4060Ti level performance is plenty good for $260.

I want to see it first. That's all. My "LFG" is also let's release it and see some real benchmarks already.

The 16GB 4060ti is a straight up 2080Ti at about 150W or less. If we get another option like that we all win and that would really raise the floor for budget builds.

If it pans out. I am giving Intel lots of leeway in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory right about now.

Remember, Celestial is now the part we really want

 

[linkgoron]

Nvidia is not Intel and is perfectly happy competing on price with their mainstream parts and floating them with the high end AMD conceded.

Then again we all know its just marketing bukake to paper over changing internal priorities at AMD.

They always talk about TAM or whatever when they're not competitive. The same happened with Polaris as well.

I probably posted this already a few weeks ago:

AMD’s Polaris will be a mainstream GPU, not high-end

But with AMD promising to grow the VR install base, it may be just as powerful.

arstechnica.com

The reason Polaris is a big deal, is because I believe we will be able to grow that TAM [total addressable market] significantly," said Taylor. "I don't think Nvidia is going to do anything to increase the TAM, because according to everything we've seen around Pascal, it's a high-end part. I don't know what the price is gonna be, but let's say it's as low as £500/$600 and as high as £800/$1000. That price range is not going to expand the TAM for VR. We're going on the record right now to say Polaris will expand the TAM. Full stop.

That whole statement was, IMO, utter nonsense. We all saw how well that worked out once the 1060 was released for $300 USD less than 3 months after that statement lol (also, it was launched barely 3 weeks after the actual RX 480 launch).

 

[LightningZ71]

It's going to be the usual situation, save for the bottom end. Intel will have the value side of the market, NVIDIA will have the mind share and command the upper mid-range and above. AMD will have the scraps in the middle of the market that sits slightly above Intel's best, at less money than the next better performing NVIDIA part.

If AMD can't be competitive on price, then I suggest that they should just focus on all aspects of their APUs instead. And keep plugging away at the AI market for as long as it pays for itself.

 

[jpiniero]

It's going to be the usual situation, save for the bottom end. Intel will have the value side of the market, NVIDIA will have the mind share and command the upper mid-range and above. AMD will have the scraps in the middle of the market that sits slightly above Intel's best, at less money than the next better performing NVIDIA part.

If AMD can't be competitive on price, then I suggest that they should just focus on all aspects of their APUs instead. And keep plugging away at the AI market for as long as it pays for itself.

Or just wait until Intel runs out of money chasing markets they have no hope in.

 

[LightningZ71]

They just have to survive long enough to chase out the #2 incumbent.

AMD'S biggest current issue is that they don't currently offer a PCIe "RX7500XT" class product with 8GB of VRAM in the market. Heck, just an upclocked 6500 8GB would go a long way for them.

 

[511]

AMDs software sucks outside of game drivers Intel already has good media performance decent rendering performance as well and they support their HW for long

 

[Hans Gruber]

B580 starting out @ $250ish. 4060ti performance or RX 6800 performance. The reviewers need to test all the old DX8/9 games to see if they work correctly. If the cards hit $199 and work. I think there are going to be a lot of potential customers.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Battlemage launch is a go!

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-intel-arc-battlemage-to-launch-december-12th

 

[DavidC1]

Battlemage launch is a go!

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-intel-arc-battlemage-to-launch-december-12th

B570 said to be $229. Or I should say B5xx price range is $229-259.

They needed the G31 like yesterday, but still more than half a year away.

 

[DavidC1]

Speculation: Since Intel is on a 2-year cycle with dGPUs, cancelling Celestial might be a good idea, because while the iGPU on Pantherlake is late 2025, N3 Celestial dGPU would then be late 2026 for mid range and mid 2027 for higher end, and that would be bad. Might as well bring Druid instead for 2026-2027 to match up with iGPU. Maybe they can get it on 18A or even 18A-P too.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Speculation: Since Intel is on a 2-year cycle with dGPUs, cancelling Celestial might be a good idea, because while the iGPU on Pantherlake is late 2025, N3 Celestial dGPU would then be late 2026 for mid range and mid 2027 for higher end, and that would be bad. Might as well bring Druid instead for 2026-2027 to match up with iGPU. Maybe they can get it on 18A or even 18A-P too.

I think the confusion between Celestial being cancelled or not is that Celestial is now based on Xe4 rather than Xe3.

 

[DigDog]

the B570/580 will be (?) lower end products, the B780 should be the interesting one.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

They needed the G31 like yesterday, but still more than half a year away.

Half a year?! Where did you see that G31 is only coming in Spring/Summer of 2025?

 

[511]

I think the confusion between Celestial being cancelled or not is that Celestial is now based on Xe4 rather than Xe3.

Wtf so PTL iGPU is Xe3 while Celestial dGPU is Xe4

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wtf so PTL iGPU is Xe3 while Celestial dGPU is Xe4

Means they are getting serious about performance.

 

[511]

Means they are getting serious about performance.

I would not expect anything else they know what is coming

 

[vanplayer]

Half a year?! Where did you see that G31 is only coming in Spring/Summer of 2025?

Big die of Battlemage is not looking good. Latest ES was poorly done, it's not ready. Mid 2025 is still possible but don't be surprised if it is canceled.