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[PingSpike]

Intel's first discrete GPU is built for developers

At its CES 2020 keynote, Intel showed off its upcoming Xe discrete graphics chip and today, we're seeing exactly how that's going to be implemented. First off, Intel unveiled a standalone DG1 "software development vehicle" card that will allow developers to optimize apps for the new graphics...

www.engadget.com

While its all speculation in response to vagueness from Intel, it does sound like this is going to be a discrete card in name only. I think the only real change from existing Intel is this is going to help yields because they can glue the chip on afterwards rather than relying upon yield.

I wonder what this will do for power consumption? And if its on the same package as the CPU...how is it going to have dedicated memory? Seems more likely it'll just use DDR4 off the motherboard from the CPU to me.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I think the only real change from existing Intel is this is going to help yields because they can glue the chip on afterwards rather than relying upon yield.

I wonder what this will do for power consumption? And if its on the same package as the CPU...how is it going to have dedicated memory? Seems more likely it'll just use DDR4 off the motherboard from the CPU to me.

Tigerlake has the 96EU Xe integrated into the die, its not MCM.

The DG1 is basically that GPU but put in discrete graphics.

Edit: According to Notebookcheck, the GeForce MX150 does 35 FPS at 1080p medium settings. So as of now, Xe as about the same as an MX150 in performance.

Looks like its about 50% faster than Icelake in that game. RX Vega 8 does pretty well in that game, at least in one configuration.

 

[moonbogg]

The Destiny 2 demo was running at 1080p low with FPS in the 40s, along with significant input delay:

Edit: According to Notebookcheck, the GeForce MX150 does 35 FPS at 1080p medium settings. So as of now, Xe as about the same as an MX150 in performance.

I saw that. Bletch, as expected. It's early still, but displaying a 1080p low detail slideshow at CES probably says a lot and confirms even more.

 

[SPBHM]

curious to see what is the memory bandwidth on the GPU used for the destiny 2 demo
the GT 1030 can deliver something comparable with less than 50GB/s

 

[JTsyo]

A guy from Intel was on Reddit and he mentioned that the architecture was scalable and expected to use it to go from mobile to desktop to workstation. Didn't mention the time frame though.

 

[RetroZombie]

A guy from Intel was on Reddit and he mentioned that the architecture was scalable and expected to use it to go from mobile to desktop to workstation. Didn't mention the time frame though.

That would be an area where they should concentrate their first efforts if gaming is not good as intended.

I have seen many problems even in simple software like corel draw in which even a simple task like printing a page (print preview) can be complicated for the amd and nvidia gpus.

 

[CakeMonster]

Are they going to keep it integrated in future desktop chips with the exact same architecture and drivers as the discrete cards?

 

[IntelUser2000]

Are they going to keep it integrated in future desktop chips with the exact same architecture and drivers as the discrete cards?

Isn't that the whole point?

Implementation will probably change somewhat. But the foundation should be very similar.

 

[NTMBK]

I took a test drive with Intel's DG1 discrete graphics card and wasn't impressed

Intel's Xe Graphics performance needs to improve a lot between now and launch.

www.pcgamer.com

Not a great impression of the demo system; hopefully performance problems were down to low-clocked early samples, or driver problems.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Not a great impression of the demo system; hopefully performance problems were down to low-clocked early samples, or driver problems.

What if DG1 doesn't stand for "Discrete Graphics 1", rather "Development Graphics 1"?

We saw Arctic Sound from Intel drivers. And from Ashraf we also know that's the first confirmed dGPU part.

So if that's true it means we still have no idea on the specifications of the first Intel dGPU.

Addendum: Ashraf also said Arctic Sound is connected to Intel CPUs via EMIB. So Kaby-G. Maybe PCIe add-on cards are next year.

 

[psolord]

It could also be Disappointing Graphics 1 but I don't swear on that.xD

 

[DrMrLordX]

It could also be Disappointing Graphics 1 but I don't swear on that.xD

You'll be getting a visit from Raja soon. After he's done with his stogie.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Intel to release Xe architecture details at GDC.

GDC

Game Developers Conference

schedule.gdconf.com

 

[Panino Manino]

But what about security?
"Mitigations" continue coming and this last one for the old GPUs is just crazy: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-gen7-hit
Being an engineer on Intel now must be hard, lots of pressure.

 

[VirtualLarry]

But what about security?
"Mitigations" continue coming and this last one for the old GPUs is just crazy: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-gen7-hit
Being an engineer on Intel now must be hard, lots of pressure.

Wholly Sheet, Intel iGPUs vulnerable now too?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Wholly Sheet, Intel iGPUs vulnerable now too?

Details are very light right now. I'm curious as to how it's going to work out for (or rather, against) Intel.

 

[Stuka87]

Yeah, details as to how easy/hard the issue is to implement have not been shown. The fix for current gen iGPU's has almost not performance impact. But for the older chips, it appears to be pretty major.

 

[Panino Manino]

If my brother starts complaining about the performance of that Skylake notebook I let with him I already know why.

This is all pretty serious.
Hardware that otherwise should remain usable for a decade now are all becoming "obsolete".

 

[lopri]

It has to perform in gaming, or it will be a fail. I am not talking about topping the charts, but it should be able to compete with AMD/NV's offerings in the mid-range, so that people start believing in it. From there Intel can try to scale it up or down.

 

[DrMrLordX]

If my brother starts complaining about the performance of that Skylake notebook I let with him I already know why.

It would be nice to know more about how or why an iGPU would be a threat vector.

 

[VirtualLarry]

It would be nice to know more about how or why an iGPU would be a threat vector.

Probably because it has DMA access to system RAM.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Probably because it has DMA access to system RAM.

That would also be my guess. But they won't come out and actually say it, which is not par for the course with other similar vulnerabilities.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Remember Microsoft IIS 6.0 and how it was riddled with vulnerabilities? I think all those devs work for Intel now.

 

[Shivansps]

Well now i know that i must not upgrade iGPU drivers on my Bay Trail tablet.

 

[Adonisds]

Exclusive: Intel Second Generation DG2 GPU To Use TSMC’s 7nm Node

Technology Vision

adoredtv.com

This rumor is interesting, but seems unlikely. I don't think AdoredTV is reliable and why would a new costumer use 7nm and not 6nm in 2022? Thoughts?