News Intel GPUs - Falcon Shores cancelled

[igor_kavinski]

Tom Petersen admits they aren't making any profits with Arc so far.

Or maybe that's what they want everyone to think so gamers scoop it up thinking it's too good a deal to pass up and prices could increase if it sells a bit too well?

 

[blckgrffn]

Watch the interview with Tim from HUB. Tom Petersen admits they aren't making any profits with Arc so far.

I can imagine that this plan worked better when Intel was functioning at all levels - even a "no profit" part would have been using Intel fabs, and all that margin TSMC is getting would have been instead funneled back into helping Foundry make lot of money, and they would have had a built in customer for leading edge nodes even when yields weren't all the way up to optimal, etc. Those "at cost" parts would have been funding R&D and making sure Intel stayed ahead.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

That's one of the reasons I find the Intel's use of TSMC so galling - that completely disrupts the virtuous cycle of development and production that fueled their spot at the forefront of x86.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[igor_kavinski]

That's one of the reasons I find the Intel's use of TSMC so galling - that completely disrupts the virtuous cycle of development and production that fueled their spot at the forefront of x86.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yup. They simply admitted defeat while also admitting that TSMC's fabs are superior to their own. IIRC, original plan was to tap TSMC only for laptop chips, not desktop. Then they revised roadmap to ok, we will use TSMC as a second source for ARL. And finally, they cancelled 20A leading to full reliance on TSMC for ARL. Utter disaster and shameful progress for the once leader in nodes development.

 

[MrTeal]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/powered-by-intel/266423/intel-arc-b580-limited-edition-graphics-card-12gb-gddr6-battlemage-gpu-31p06hb0ba.html

Available for preorder in Canada now.

We are talking about 3rd world countries here, remember? 1080p is ok resolution to play for a while, ray tracing won't be viable on such low end card anyway.

NVIDIA will fix memory situation once 3 GB chips become available next year, they don't even need to be super fast, just capacity - they'll give whopping 12 GB for sure and probably throw in better texture compression as usual.

True, but you can bet Intel's bean counters are looking VERY closely.

If Nvidia is known for anything, it's tossing in extra capacity to make their product tops in the value segment.

 

[blckgrffn]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/powered-by-intel/266423/intel-arc-b580-limited-edition-graphics-card-12gb-gddr6-battlemage-gpu-31p06hb0ba.html

Available for preorder in Canada now.


If Nvidia is know for anything, it's tossing in extra capacity to make their product tops in the value segment.

I think they quite like targeting ASP (Average Sales Price) north of $500. Looking at their stack right now, everything points to them trying to motivate you to spend that much. And I think for the "serious" gamers out there it works great.

And if not? Well, they can revisit that when desktop revenue gets more important to them again, someday.

 

[Win2012R2]

If Nvidia is known for anything, it's tossing in extra capacity to make their product tops in the value segment.

There is first time for everything and this time is now - a popular game (Indiana) got released and it became abundantly clear how important is to have more than 8 GB, you can't "Low" quality your way out of it.

 

[MrTeal]

Oh sweet summer child...

The things Nvidia should do to make the best products from gamers are sadly not all the things Nvidia does do while making products for gamers.
I'd be very happy with the rumoured 5060 specs if it had 12GB and was $300, but I would be absolutely floored if it launched like that. I haven't seen any credible source speculating that either.

 

[blckgrffn]

There is first time for everything and this time is now - a popular game (Indiana) got released and it became abundantly clear how important is to have more than 8 GB, you can't "Low" quality your way out of it.

I’ve got no issues hearing Nvidia say “oh, higher settings in the latest games just costs more money. Try a 4070 on for size!”

And when they say that so many people listen.

 

[Win2012R2]

I’ve got no issues hearing Nvidia say “oh, higher settings in the latest games just costs more money. Try a 4070 on for size!” And when they say that so many people listen.

But that's the real problem now - it's not a question of even choosing the lowest settings in that popular game that will be certainly used as one of the games to benchmark new GPUs, they have time to fix it (even if they delay mid/low range release by a few months).

 

[511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866648172204003598

Time Spy B580

 

[blckgrffn]

Is this good? Bad? Ok?

 

[poke01]

Is this good? Bad? Ok?

tells us nothing. Best to wait for real gaming tests. Intel GPUs do really well in 3D Mark this is on par with 7700 xt and 4060 Ti.

 

[blckgrffn]

But that's the real problem now - it's not a question of even choosing the lowest settings in that popular game that will be certainly used as one of the games to benchmark new GPUs, they have time to fix it (even if they delay mid/low range release by a few months).

But I am not seeing the problem though?

A game that actually punishes budget GPUs is a good thing for Nvidia. It encourages people hanging onto ancient cards to buy new ones, and not even 3050’s to meet arbitrary requirements either. An honest to goodness AAA title that pushes you into a mid tier card to get a “good” (for its certainly “playable” on less hardware) is a boon for the leading and for many only provider of GPUs.

So I guess I don’t see one title - or even a handful of them - changing anything about the upcoming Nvidia release. Nvidia doesn’t care how poorly the budget cards of a previous generation card age. If there is any course correction at all I’d expect it in the follow up generation. The 3060ti/3070/3070ti speak volumes in that the faster the older generation gets irrelevant the better. The folks that let the Nvidia drivers optimize their game settings likely will never know what they are missing.

Does this leave a small opening for Intel? Sure.

Ultimately every 5000 series card sku individually will sell more than all of the battlemage cards combined. Thats my prediction.

 

[blckgrffn]

tells us nothing. Best to wait for real gaming tests. Intel GPUs do really well in 3D Mark this is on par with 7700 xt and 4060 Ti.

Almost like its a fixed target they can optimize for, huh?

Thank you for the context/comparison though. That's what I was looking for.

 

[511]

Take 3DMark TimeSpy as Ultra Optimization for that card

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Watch the interview with Tim from HUB. Tom Petersen admits they aren't making any profits with Arc so far.

I watched the part where they talk about price and I don’t think he says that.

Perhaps he mentions it later on, but what he says about the price is they know they're a new player, and as such they need to provide better value for the consumer than the established players in order to get a foothold.

That certainly means less profits than Nvidia (who gets to do obscene markups anyway), but nowhere does he say they're not making any profits at all with Battlemage.



EDIT: Okay, I stand corrected. At ~26m30s Tom Petersen claims they're not making any money on dGPUs yet.

 

[gaav87]

B580
10% faster than 4060ti in time spy
10% slower than 4070 in time spy

 

[gaav87]

Well 2080 ti has fallen to intel mid range xD

 

[CastleBravo]

B580
10% faster than 4060ti in time spy
10% slower than 4070 in time spy

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So, if it beats the A770 by the same 18% in actual games as it appears to beat it in Timespy, would that would put the B580 roughly equal to the 4060 Ti for gaming?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Is this good? Bad? Ok?

Quite good, on the level of a 7700XT and a RTX3080.

Alchemist chips were also very good on synthetic benchmarks like 3dmark, but those results didn't translate to good gaming performance. Though from Tom Petersen's interview they seem to be more confident that they're doing a lot better in games than synthetic tests this time.

 

[QueBert]

I'm interested in hell, I know it's not out yet so maybe the date is just there. But Newegg's showing an ETA of 1/3/2025, I hope that's not accurate :|

I know it's only a few weeks ago but I really would like this card before Xmas. And not at stupid scalper prices either. The Acer BiFrost A770's I'm seeing on Google are going for $400. WHAT THE HELL? Wasn't that card $329 when it came out? And it's last gen.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Acer BiFrost A770's I'm seeing on Google are going for $400. WHAT THE HELL? Wasn't that card $329 when it came out? And it's last gen.

The Acer card became unattractive as hell to me when I found out that Intel isn't responsible for its drivers, Acer is. Just look at when Acer last released the drivers for it: https://www.acer.com/us-en/support/product-support/Predator_BiFrost_A770_OC

https://www.reddit.com/r/IntelArc/comments/1b686k4/i_love_acers_intel_arc_a770_but_its_driver

Everyone, STAY AWAY from Acer ARC cards until they get their act together.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Three fan models already OOS.



Clearly people are excited to own them. Now it's up to Intel to deliver on their promise.

 

[511]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866651077757587901

 

[igor_kavinski]

EXCELLENT! Out with the old and in with the new!