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[gdansk]

LOLNO You couldn't buy one here in the states.

I couldn't anyway.

Couldn't have any Ampere either back then.

Partially true but I managed to get an 3080 at MSRP even though I wanted a 6800 XT or 6900 XT. And the total sales figures suggest Ampere was a bit more available.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The better than expected performance of this card actually makes me suddenly very interest in their higher end stuff.

If they can release a 4070 competitor for $450 or even $400 that would be a gamechanger.

 

[poke01]

It’s good I can see why it’s 250 though, performance in UE5 titles is not as good

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I couldn't anyway.

Partially true but I managed to get an 3080 at MSRP even though I wanted a 6800 XT or 6900 XT. And the total sales figures suggest Ampere was a bit more available.

I was able to get a 3060 through the EVGA queue and an 3060ti through the Newegg shuffle. I never had a chance at an AMD card for MSRP in all of that time.

On a humorous note: If Nvidia paid him more, do you think W1zz could shill a little harder? This con is WTF M8? worthy -

• No support for DLSS (yes I know it's an NV exclusive, still doesn't change the fact that you can have it on one option and not on others)

Any card that is not RTX is a con? Got it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It’s good I can see why it’s 250 though, performance in UE5 titles is not as good

Let them cook bro. My experience with ARC is there is always more performance to be had compared to early iterations of the drivers.

 

[FlameTail]

It’s good I can see why it’s 250 though, performance in UE5 titles is not as good

Aside from RT/XMX, which Nvidia GPU architecture is Battlemage architecturally comparable to?

Pascal? Turing?

 

[Win2012R2]

And the total sales figures suggest Ampere was a bit more available.

Thanks to Samsung "8"nm

performance in UE5 titles is not as good

That can be said about any card now, including 4090!

 

[blckgrffn]

I was able to get a 3060 through the EVGA queue and an 3060ti through the Newegg shuffle. I never had a chance at an AMD card for MSRP in all of that time.

AMD.com sold them at MSRP. The guy I bought my 6800 from got lucky on buying it from there. So you definitely "had a chance"

My NewEgg shuffle buys were not at MSRP either. Microcenter had enough to form huge lines to pick up ANY gpu available. At what, 2-3x MSRP?

RDNA2 was a completely sidewise time to launch and the effort I had to go through to buy $1k 3080's, $700 3060Tis and all the rest speaks to it. It's like saying the lack of PS5 inventory was AMDs fault.

Supply chain was broken. Ethereum mining was silly.

That said, my first 5700XT was broken, my next one had to be RMA'd after a couple months. RDNA3 is still broken and will never be fixed. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

 

[adroc_thurston]

which Nvidia GPU architecture is Battlemage architecturally comparable to?

Pascal? Turing?

What does that mean? You mean like proper FL12_2 support?

 

[511]

Aside from RT/XMX, which Nvidia GPU architecture is Battlemage architecturally comparable to?

Pascal? Turing?

They are not directly comparable

 

[ToTTenTranz]

LTT review shows frame generation in F1 '24 is excellent, and RT isn't the bloodbath it was in Tim's Nvidia showcase suite.

XeSS FG sounds like more of a game changer than DLSS3 FG was. Games supporting the whole suite of XeSS upscaling + framegen + antilag should perform awesomely even on the $250 B580.

 

[eek2121]

Intel made a good product. Hoping to see some higher end stuff.

DOA - too little too late, and the chip size is so big that Intel unlikely to make enough anyway as it would only increase their losses.

Hardly DOA. It beats the 4060. Even if the 5060 is faster, NVIDIA will gimp the VRAM and charge more than $249.

Shoot, if I were building an entry level gaming PC for someone, I’d buy one.

Intel likes money, so they won’t be restricting volume. They also still have decent margins, contrary to what some may think.

I suspect if anyone ruins the party it'll be AMD. Nvidia tosses scraps to PC peasants (which they unfortunately gobble up. Dumbasses). I think TAP&Co. know they have a window that will close. Make as much as they can now, price cut when they have to. The real goof is not having more stock in the channel. Partners ramping up over the next few weeks is not good enough. Need to have those cards in the Xmas stockings.

AMD likes margins too much.

Intel probably will steal marketshare from AMD until RDNA4 drops. I do think they may be able to make a dent in NVIDIA’s monopoly. There are a LOT of Intel fanboys out there that would happily build an all Intel system.

 

[MrTeal]

I'd expect better compression in Blackwell, so maybe they'll even get away with 8 GB, but most likely they'll cave in and give 12 GB - certainly later in 2025 when 3 GB GDDR7 will become available, and it's going to be much quicker memory too. Leather Jacket will not allow himself to be pushed around.

Unless you're talking about something new and very different to how we traditionally define it, memory compression doesn't compress the assets in memory so you can get more stuff into the same amount of memory. It's a whole host of tricks the GPU uses to selectively reduce the transfer of data between the GPU and the memory so you need less bandwidth. You still need all the assets actually in the VRAM.

The NVIDIA Turing GPU Architecture Deep Dive: Prelude to GeForce RTX

www.anandtech.com

 

[blckgrffn]

Intel made a good product. Hoping to see some higher end stuff.

Intel probably will steal marketshare from AMD until RDNA4 drops. I do think they may be able to make a dent in NVIDIA’s monopoly. There are a LOT of Intel fanboys out there that would happily build an all Intel system.

Agree.

I think that if AMD just goes with the 7600XT 16GB treatment again and offers a similarly priced (even $299) RDNA4 part with 16GB ram and just better enough performance that's bad news for Intel.

If AMD stacks a 16GB part right against it at $270 that's really bad news. The "more memory is better" factor would be enough for many to pick the 16GB part, I think.

5060 (non-ti) 16GB at $249 is end game, pack it all up. Can easily be done with GDDR6 but is extremely unlikely as that put them in a worse spot than the 3060 12GB vs 3060Ti because at that point 8GB was truly good to go. But it would be funny.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD.com sold them at MSRP. The guy I bought my 6800 from got lucky on buying it from there. So you definitely "had a chance"

Maybe he used a bot? I never got closer than 1 AU 👽 of catching them in stock. Chance in hell more like it.

My NewEgg shuffle buys were not at MSRP either. Microcenter had enough to form huge lines to pick up ANY gpu available. At what, 2-3x MSRP?

I paid less for a 3060ti than the 6700XT MSRP $479. I think it was $440? 3060 was not far off of MSRP either $330? Considering a GTX 1650 was $350 NIB I did really well. I sold a 2070 Super and 2060 Super those 2 replaced, and had money leftover.

RDNA2 was a completely sidewise time to launch and the effort I had to go through to buy $1k 3080's, $700 3060Tis and all the rest speaks to it. It's like saying the lack of PS5 inventory was AMDs fault.

Fault? No. But it does not change the accuracy of my statement that something always goes terribly with their launches. MSRP was wack too, so I won't be giving out any Mulligans. Opinions vary, that's mine.

Supply chain was broken. Ethereum mining was silly.

So, something went terribly. That's my point. How, why, it doesn't matter. AMD and bad launches are like peas and carrots.

That said, my first 5700XT was broken

So was mine. Worst experience in decades, as I have often referenced.

, my next one had to be RMA'd after a couple months. RDNA3 is still broken and will never be fixed. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

No complaints here with either the 7800XT or 7900XTX. Nothing from Nvidia was worthwhile at what I paid. 7800XT was the rare base hit. Bang for buck was good enough to sellout and have limited supply for a while.

On topic: Rich has a good review. Automated benches are 💩but other than that I like how he does his CPU and GPU reviews.

 

[MrTeal]

Maybe he used a bot? I never got closer than 1 AU 👽 of catching them in stock. Chance in hell more like it.

I managed to snag a half dozen or so cards from AMD.com by hand, so it certainly wasn't impossible. There were definitely tricks to it though in order to give yourself the best chance possible.

 

[Win2012R2]

Hardly DOA. It beats the 4060.

Yes, it beats 2 years old chip with half the die size (159 vs ~300 sq mm) and 50% lower memory bandwidth (128 vs 192 bit) and lower VRAM size - all that a few weeks before new better stuff will be announced (ok - 5060 is 3-4 months away).

This would have worked if they released this in place of Arc two years ago with current level of drivers and with current pricing too.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD likes margins too much.

I don't know about AMD, but Gigabyte sold the 7600XT for $280. That means they can do it again if they need to move inventory. It'll make it hard to pick the B580 at that price. Perhaps it will become the graphics card version of the Yo dawg! meme. Where Nvidia buyers hope AMD provides competition so they can buy RTX cheaper. And AMD buyers hope Intel provides competition so they can buy Radeon cheaper. 🤣

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I managed to snag a half dozen or so cards from AMD.com by hand, so it certainly wasn't impossible. There were definitely tricks to it though in order to give yourself the best chance possible.

Well there you go. All I had to do is get in virtual line to buy RTX. No tricks/hacks just patience. AMD lost sales because of it. Congrats to AMD for again failing the task successfully.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Ok folks, time to update the mantra:

I really want AMD Intel to bring better price performance to the table and increase competition so I can get my Nvidia card for less money.

 

[blckgrffn]

Well there you go. All I had to do is get in virtual line to buy RTX. No tricks/hacks just patience. AMD lost sales because of it. Congrats to AMD for again failing the task successfully.

Come on man. Plenty of people were FURIOUS at the shuffles they couldn’t get into or got saddled with some $400 motherboard they didn’t want or need. Or played games on BestBuy.com for hours only to fail to buy Nvidia ampere cards at MSRP. As nuanced as you typically evaluate arguments I find this a weird spot, especially since it’s so anecdotal to your own experience.

So every tech product - and even mundane things like what I sell - were nigh unobtainable for a while so that proves out AMD can’t launch a product?

In any case, I am pleased to yes have a new low man on the totem pole to help the other companies be motivated to provide better value, except the market is so unhealthy now it will be interesting to see if it even matters.

 

[SolidQ]

Where Nvidia buyers hope AMD provides competition so they can buy RTX cheaper

A lot people want 8800 for 500

P.S so nice dodge spoilers from TGA

 

[gaav87]

Ok so my leaks from my plumber intel source were correct. xD
I can see this sit between 4060ti and 4070 after 6-12months. In some benches its close to 4070FE already... Overclocking is borked but when it will work easy 4070FE perf...
G31 is close to 4070ti in some scenarios/games. in some its between 4060ti and 4070fe.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Come on man. Plenty of people were FURIOUS at the shuffles they couldn’t get into or got saddled with some $400 motherboard they didn’t want or need. Or played games on BestBuy.com for hours only to fail to buy Nvidia ampere cards at MSRP. As nuanced as you typically evaluate arguments I find this a weird spot, especially since it’s so anecdotal to your own experience.

Point conceded that is a sample size of one. Hence, my comments should be evaluated as such. My bad.

So every tech product - and even mundane things like what I sale - were nigh unobtainable for a while so that proves out AMD can’t launch a product?

That is not my contention. It's that they can't launch a new generation of GPUs without something going terribly. We'll see if they can get the pricing right for a change, that'd be refreshing.

In any case, I am pleased to yes have a new low man on the totem pole to help the other companies be motivated to provide better value, except the market is so unhealthy now it will be interesting to see if it even matters.

It matters. Every sale means the other IHVs or their board partner lost one. Lose enough and we are off to the races.

 

[blckgrffn]

It's ASMR for PCIe cards:

Active State Power Management - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In all seriousness, thank you for this. I guess I could have just googled but I preferred your humor

So, it's basically enabling some fancy power management settings on the PCIe bus that allows for a more full idling of the connected device. However, it can introduce human noticeable latency when waking up the device. If it can wake up faster than a monitor how would it be noticeable on a desktop?

Which makes me wonder if I can't tame down my Plex/Sim 1660 Super rig that draws ~34W at idle compared to a dell SFF PC pulling ~17W but has no GPU. It seems unlikely those settings were enabled on those other GPUs since it wasn't called out. Swapping between the 1660S, a 3060 and 2060S made essentially no difference to idle usage. TBH I found the 3060 distinctly underwhelming in this regard.

ALSO. Holy cow, the 6600 & 7600 are some sort of idle power champs. 2W? That's extremely marginal.