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DAPUNISHER

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Where are you even finding B580's in stock?
If the overhead issue gains traction, that won't be an issue much longer. Fair number of comments on HUB's video saying they were planning on the B580 but not anymore. 5600/x is the most popular retail CPU of all time, and on par with the 12400; the most popular budget Intel CPU. The numbers compared to the 4060 in CPU heavy games is a wet blanket.
 

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If the overhead issue gains traction, that won't be an issue much longer. Fair number of comments on HUB's video saying they were planning on the B580 but not anymore. 5600/x is the most popular retail CPU of all time, and on par with the 12400; the most popular budget Intel CPU. The numbers compared to the 4060 in CPU heavy games is a wet blanket.

-Yeah, that was kinda jaw dropping to me. B580 wouldn have gone in the Steam box which ofc has a *drumroll* 5600x.

I think it really demonstrates the importance for these review sites to do a "sniff test" every once in a while and see how cards run on less than bleeding edge machines that people actually own.

Love to see regular annual reviews where entry level cards get put through their paces on $500/$1000/$2000 machines just to see if performance scales linearly (and here it definitely does not).
 

DigDog

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ok, does a decent, FREE benchmark utility exist that can use DX12 ?

TimeSpy is only available if you buy 3DMark full, which is 25 bucks no tnx.
 

DigDog

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Relic of Life: i was getting an error message that my device does not support ray tracing; but, it does?
 

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ok, does a decent, FREE benchmark utility exist that can use DX12 ?

TimeSpy is only available if you buy 3DMark full, which is 25 bucks no tnx.
I'm sure we have run TimeSpy and have not purchased 3DMark.

Seems like it will run in the default configuration for free but any fiddling with settings requires a purchase.

Maybe DX12 is one of those settings?

I'll check and get back with you...

 
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DavidC1

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And you are assuming they can fix it because?
What if it's a hardware issue?
Because utilization should have been better than on Alchemist yet somehow it seems the overhead issue is worse on Battlemage because some games "scale" fantastically on 1440p.

We can't assume they're even near AMD in drivers when they had iGPU mentality for 2 decades now.

Faster card = more overhead
 
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DavidC1

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And you are assuming they can fix it because?
What if it's a hardware issue?
Continued...

I know how bad Intel is with GPUs. Here's few examples why I think driver overhead is a significant problem:

1. Anyone remember GMA X3000? I owned it. They were fashionably late on the driver side, the one supporting hardware T&L launched something like 10 months later. And people were expecting great results. And in some cases it did, like with Half Life 2: Lost Coast. But in other cases it was slower, because it was later found out due to them skimping out on transistors and having an anemic geometry engine.

Ok, so some is due to hardware, but not having feature level support until 10 months later showed serious deficiency on the software team.

Another possibility on why the geometry sucked: Older Intel graphics scaled great with CPU, because it relied on it for geometry. Maybe that mentality carried on to X3000. Why? To sell more CPUs. The old adage Microsoft does everything to sell more Windows, Intel does everything to sell more CPUs.

2. Even with the modern ones like Iris Xe, videos show that the drivers put too much emphasis on the CPU. AMD CPU runs at 1.4GHz, while Intel runs the CPU at over 3GHz. Why? Maybe they themselves know it's necessary.

3. Pat's admission that performing bad is due to them thinking just porting the iGPU driver code base would have been enough. Tom Peterson said that it wasn't, because the dGPU being much faster exposed driver-level bottlenecks.

4. Lunarlake. LNL performs much better relatively on games compared to Time Spy versus Meteorlake. So if utilization wasn't addressed on Xe2, then it should show similar issues. Yet it's noticeably better.

5. Rumors that they were working on a driver to address not only DX11 deficiencies, but DX12 as well. And I don't mean specific games, but a general one.

See, the thing is, they don't have the promised VR support, they killed ARC Control, they eliminated video capture portion, and the DX11 non-whitelist driver isn't there, which was also promised.
 
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DigDog

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thank god it's the weekend,

because i've had to replace my motherboard, i had to uninstall all the old drivers, then download all the new ones. Set up the BIOS, and then remove all the f* bloatware.
And ofc, once you replace the mobo, then you need to reactivate windows.
and every website wants to warn me that some intruder (which is me) is trying to access my precious google / microsoft / linkedin accounts !

and now, i waited a couple hours to download the game, AND now i got another hour or so of install time, AND the patch.
i've been at this for seven hours now ..
 

DavidC1

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Comment sections for both ARC reddit and HUB Youtube is full of people changing their minds now.

Unfortunately, if your product has a problem, you can't hide it, it'll eventually surface.

I still very much believe it has lot of potential, the problem is that they need to stick to it and put *real* effort. This unfortunately is reminding me of their effort trying to get into the mobile market. If they didn't give up, they would have had some presence now, and the pressure would have made their product better.

Unfortunately they went the route of quick and easy with contra revenue and had to abandon it quick after losing tons of money.

The recommendation is the same, stick through the hardship and don't give up on dGPUs, because without it they'll NEVER enter a new market. How do you expect to get rewards without the work?
 
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