I mean never. Why would they remove a requirement for more semi-modern boards on an even more modern card?
I mean never. Why would they remove a requirement for more semi-modern boards on an even more modern card?At least until Druid, correct?
In general cause by Druid(26-27) more PC will have Resizable Bar and the low end stuff would be a Zen 4/ADL CPU and every one of those support RebarAt least until Druid, correct?
You are probably right. Besides the overhead would have to be resolved as well. Since a 9900K would seriously hold back a B580 at the moment.In general cause by Druid(26-27) more PC will have Resizable Bar and the low end stuff would be a Zen 4/ADL CPU and every one of those support Rebar
Yup driver overhead needs to be resolvedYou are probably right. Besides the overhead would have to be resolved as well. Since a 9900K would seriously hold back a B580 at the moment.
AFAIK, DX11 performance issues, and probably even some DX9 performance issues is likely related to CPU overhead problem surfacing even in DX12/Vulkan titles.1.Resizable bar requirement
2. CPU overhead
3. Remaining DX9-11 performance issues
4. Older PCIe gen performance issues
If we believe Exist50, he said Celestial is the generation where the changes dwarf the ones made by Battlemage. Of course Druid would be better but even less information exist.I think some of you have written that it isn't until Druid that ARC gets a major hardware change? If so, it's going to be tough sledding for Celestial.
Yea, we can't always expect them to point out every flaw their own product has.We don’t right… this is entirely on Tom Peterson and his team. How come they didn’t mention this issue outright on their marketing campaign, that’s cause its basically propaganda to sell their product.
When this card is sold primarily to budget gamers, it’s important to mention. Don’t you think???Yea, we can't always expect them to point out every flaw their own product has.
It's just counterintuitive to continuously mention a flaw in something that you are trying to sell. You don't say "Our product has this and this flaw, so go buy a competitor's product". I'm not trying to excuse Intel graphics, it's just that the CPU overhead problem has been known since Alchemist. Guess no one bothered to make it public since even after the drivers were much improved no-one really paid attention to it.
But with the price/perf seemingly looking excellent, it did get attention, so the bad parts had light shone on it too. If Alchemist had similar initial reception, it would have been widely exposed back then. If B580 doesn't make sense at $250 like some are saying and should have been cut to $200, then A770 should have been $200 rather than $349.
As for Tom Peterson, I think it's a great thing he is there. I think the only reason for him to be not there is if they are looking to fold the division.
It is, but let's say you are working for Intel. How many would agree to trashing your product?When this card is sold primarily to budget gamers, it’s important to mention. Don’t you think???
Source?
Stepping back, I find Intel’s Arc B580 to be a refreshing and exciting product. The midrange GPU market has been an unattractive dumpster fire over the past few years. With a powerful enough CPU, the B580 can offer competitive performance against the more expensive RTX 4060 while providing more VRAM capacity to boot. It’s a compelling combination, and I hope Intel can optimize its driver going forward. The less hardware gamers have to spend on hardware to get acceptable performance, the better. That applies to both CPU and GPU upgrades.
FYI he predicted BMG is coming so...Source?
FYI he predicted BMG is coming so...
I saw someone on Twitter post it
as long as the major website is not wccftech 🤣When I hear a major website report it I'll believe it.
I don't know, the 9950X3D?Yeah, B580 has issues with Zen4. So what "powerful" CPU is chipsandcheese talking about?
That entire quote makes no sense to me. Especially this sentence -Yeah, B580 has issues with Zen4. So what "powerful" CPU is chipsandcheese talking about
First, the street price on the B580 is effectively the same or higher now, even here in the states. And it needs a more expensive CPU to achieve that performance, resulting in the value proposition falling flat on its face. People have resorted to mental gymnastics because they want the competition so badly.With a powerful enough CPU, the B580 can offer competitive performance against the more expensive RTX 4060
You get about 87% of the performance potential with a 5700X3D, which can be had for $130-$150 on AliExpress. That's good enough IMO, given you get superior upscaling and RT to AMD, and more vram than AMD and Nvidia. But it has to be MSRP. Otherwise you are into 6750XT and 7600XT money, here in the U.S., and both are better picks for low budget builders, when the price is similar.Ahhh C&C, ever the optimist. Never change.
I don't know, the 9950X3D?
You get about 87% of the performance potential with a 5700X3D, which can be had for $130-$150 on AliExpress. That's good enough IMO, given you get superior upscaling and RT to AMD, and more vram than AMD and Nvidia. But it has to be MSRP. Otherwise you are into 6750XT and 7600XT money, here in the U.S., and both are better picks for low budget builders, when the price is similar.
What's the testing methodology? Did they just run the canned benchmarks? Used a PCIe 4 CPU that is less than 4 years old = come on man. 👎review witha 11600K (a decent option for pairing it with ) https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/intel-arc-b580-review at 1440 it is fine but 1080p we see a bit of issue but that is not much on Intel Platform
Precisely this is GPU Bound scenario testing With a mid range CPUs and they didn't test Spiderman/CP2077 and Hitman which is sad those are with heavy crowdWhat's the testing methodology? Did they just run the canned benchmarks? Used a PCIe 4 CPU that is less than 4 years old = come on man. 👎
Should be testing more CPU heavy games too. There are 2, soon to be 3, Spiderman games. Space Marine 2, 2077 and Phantom Liberty in game with crowds and traffic turned up in demanding areas of the city. Hogwarts Legacy, Fortnite; not as repeatable, but it'll be close enough each run to evaluate. I don't think replay is as CPU intensive?