Do we have any data on how B580 performs with extra cores? For example, 5900X vs 5600X?
Yeah. Even if it runs 25% slower than 4060, what is anyone expecting for $250? It will still easily beat all the 8GB cards as soon as VRAM limitations come into play and performance tanks on all the 8GB cards.Unusable seems pretty extreme to me though.
If he didn't have rebar on than it is going to suckTake this with a HUGE grain of salt, but I read this on the IntelARC Reddit about the B580
"Don't forget that this card needs 9800x3d to run properly"
I think the person was being uhhh, a little dramatic, but they own one and claim it's basically unusable on older CPUs. Unusable seems pretty extreme to me though.
Went to check Newegg to see if it was in stock because
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ANDDDDDD it was gone!
19th top seller on Newegg despite the fact that it keeps going OOS.
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Drivers shmivers overhead shmoverhead, people are so fed up that they will learn to love this card.
GN tested with a 12400 v 5600X and the i5 did have a nice improvement in Baldur's Gate 3 with how they test. Other than that no secret sauce in that one.Yes I will not be surprised they can use SW Tricks with their HW
if it was SSD and GPU it would have been a good oneConcerning stock -Newegg is pulling its old scalper apocalypse trick of making you buy combos. The B580LE has been available twice already in the last 2 days with a MSI PSU for $335+tax and shipping. I could have bought it both times, but I have zero need for yet another PSU right now. Meanwhile the solo listing showed OOS. 👎
Well, since the 9800X3D isn't fast enough in some cases, I don't think it's that dramatic.I think the person was being uhhh, a little dramatic, but they own one and claim it's basically unusable on older CPUs. Unusable seems pretty extreme to me though.
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I honestly don't know why they didn't try to include an AMD APU in that comparison.
Doh! Completely missed that! ThanksUhh... what do you think the 8840HS is?
Intel iGPUs have been way more integrated ever since Sandy Bridge days.Doh! Completely missed that! Thanks
Those results seem to suggest that Strix Halo may have a hard time getting close to the 155H.
The good old days. When Intel actually used to give a crap about performance leaps.Intel iGPUs have been way more integrated ever since Sandy Bridge days.
Not really.The good old days. When Intel actually used to give a crap about performance leaps.
"This MR adds support for VRT which is one of the major improvements introduced in the Xe3 ISA. In short it allows EU threads to use a variable number of registers that can be specified by the driver in a pipelined fashion for each shader stage. While using this feature up to 256 GRF registers can be used per thread at the cost of reducing the number of threads that can execute concurrently in the same EU -- Or conversely, a number of registers lower than 128 GRF can be allocated per thread, which allows the EU to execute a larger number of threads concurrently.
This has two primary benefits: On the one hand the amount of spilling is vastly reduced (spills drop by ~95% and fills by ~48% on shader-db, spills drop by ~86% and fills by ~76% on fossil-db) which is expected to reduce bandwidth consumption and improve performance at run-time, and OTOH the ability to compile a SIMD32 variant of most shaders allows for a more compile time-efficient heuristic to be used for SIMD width selection."
"This reduces the compilation time for a whole run of shader-db by ~15%, and the runtime of fossil-db by ~20% (both figures on Xe3, the spill and fill count improvements reported above are still approximately accurate)."
This sounds really nice, but I hope it doesn't come at the sacrifice of driver development. It seems they have already relegated the much relevant Alchemist dGPUs to the backburner in driver developments with nary a mention of it in the latest drivers. Would not be surprised if the whole company cutting has impacted them too.Some Xe3 ISA improvements
With the headcount reduction I don't doubt btw Intel doesn't abandon products that degree they still provide driver support as long as the Bean counters are there there will be greed even in that conditionThis sounds really nice, but I hope it doesn't come at the sacrifice of driver development. It seems they have already relegated the much relevant Alchemist dGPUs to the backburner in driver developments with nary a mention of it in the latest drivers. Would not be surprised if the whole company cutting has impacted them too.
Nvidia as greedy as they are, has great support for their older products. Intel basically abandons them as quickly as new ones are introduced. There is a degree of greed and incompetence.
The silver lining is ARC reddit Alchemist owners are saying the listed performance improvements for B-series works for them too. Why not list it for the A as well? Do they not realize long term customer support is important for long term customer loyalty? Did they forget that somehow or something?With the headcount reduction I don't doubt btw Intel doesn't abandon products that degree they still provide driver support as long as the Bean counters are there there will be greed even in that condition
Not really. Great is hyperbolic. Yes, games won't give you an out of date driver warning, but often that's about it. Optimizations for those older gens are nowhere to be found. I've seen games like Guardians of the Galaxy and Halo Infinite campaign be broken on Maxwell (980ti) requiring rolling back to fairly old drivers to get the games working correctly. Sometimes a new driver is okay, then the next version it's broken again.Nvidia as greedy as they are, has great support for their older products.
Xe3 in the old nomenclature would be the introduction of gen13, so good ISA changes are expectedSome Xe3 ISA improvements
That sounds quite exciting on its own especially with the sharply reduced register spilling. For some insight as to the impact with Xe3 VRT, the merge request ended with noting:
Intel cancels Falcon Shores GPU for AI workloads — Jaguar Shores to be successor
A radical temper of expectations.www.tomshardware.com
I'm sure that Intel will get a competitive GPU next time! 🫠