News Intel GPUs - Falcon Shores cancelled

[João Bortolace]

Arc specs

 

[IntelUser2000]

AV1 decode takes less than 5% of the A380 GPU??? How is it on the iGPU (if you disable ARC)?

Decode is playback. So it has to be efficient as possible to lower power use. That's what a hardware accelerated decode does. Mostly fixed function.

 

[psolord]

Arc specsView attachment 67330

Am I the only one that gets his gears ground by that lowercase b in the memory bandwidth section?

I mean these are GigaBytes per second and not Gigabits, right? Right?

 

[clemsyn]

Another bug, turned on my computer and the A380 is not detected in Windows 10, no output. Rebooted it and still the same. Went to the BIOS to confirm it is detected and it is. Booted to Monterey (using Opencore) and it is detected in Monterey. Booted back to Windows and finally got detected. Not sure if it is the resizable bar issue or because my output connects to an HDMI to DVI cable.

I tested it with H.264 encoding this time and noticed that the IGPU and Arc are both working on encoding the video (9% for the IGPU while 20% for the ARC) CPU is staying at 54%. It seems that both GPU's are utilized for H.264 encoding. H264 is no match for AV1 in video quality at the same low bitrate.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Another bug, turned on my computer and the A380 is not detected in Windows 10, no output. Rebooted it and still the same. Went to the BIOS to confirm it is detected and it is.

Sounds like immature firmware(vBIOS). When the firmware update gets corrupted on AMD Polaris cards or when a different set is installed the card is recognized electrically but not detected.

 

[igor_kavinski]

5 years later, Intel still beta testing using production hardware and generous consumers happily acting as their guinea pigs. No offense to anyone wanting to support them but I would not be happy if I keep running into issues during normal use (edge cases can be somewhat forgiven).

 

[mikk]

MLID claims Arc discrete has been killed, it's over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568521547094151168

 

[Leeea]

Looks like it is all over but the crying. And the dwindle down. Cards may still be released, but it is just selling off already purchased stock.



This is the end of Intel as a primary chipmaker. Industry is moving toward SOC, and without a working GPU Intel will be unable to compete. Intel's iGPUs have long been failures, and ARC showed just how much that is so.

Still believe Intel could have made it work if it was willing to put another 3 years into the project. Guess that did not look good enough on next quarters stock holders report.

 

[mikk]

Even if they kill Arc discrete they need GPUs for processor graphics.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It ain't over until Raja is fired. Just like Renduchintala. Welcoming employees from other companies who have been fired specifically for their workplace toxicity is something Intel HR needs to re-consider.

Damn idiots. They could have hired an enthusiastic gamer and he would have done a better job sticking to ensuring that the final silicon was ready ASAP, instead of shouting from the top of the roof that "WE ARE COMING! WE WILL SAVE GAMERS! AMD/NVIDIA, you better run and cower in fear!".

Really sad end. I was hoping to get the A750 Limited Edition or a laptop with A770M, both for 16GB VRAM and good RT performance.

I think I will set aside some moments for mourning when Intel officially confirms the demise of their consumer dGPU effort.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@clemsyn

Hang on tight to your A380. You have a rare piece of GPU history in your hands now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Even if they kill Arc discrete they need GPUs for processor graphics.

They already have a half decent Xe GPU for that. Just need to keep scaling up the Xe units and reducing the process size to keep them in the game.

 

[moinmoin]

5 years of agonizing. I don't think this will be the end of it as killing discrete GPUs would solve nothing in the other areas affected.

 

[mikk]

MLID is lately on a AMD hype train and Intel bash mode. I'm not trusting him without other more reliable sources. We have to wait and see.

 

[Glo.]

This is the end of Intel as a primary chipmaker. Industry is moving toward SOC, and without a working GPU Intel will be unable to compete. Intel's iGPUs have long been failures, and ARC showed just how much that is so.

Still believe Intel could have made it work if it was willing to put another 3 years into the project. Guess that did not look good enough on next quarters stock holders report.

Uhm. If industry is moving towards SOCs why would killing the dGPU segment mean that Intel will never be able to deliver good SoCs?

I believe they will 100% now focus on SOCs, and graphics performance and optimization of hardware-software interplay.

 

[Asterox]

MLID is lately on a AMD hype train and Intel bash mode. I'm not trusting him without other more reliable sources. We have to wait and see.

It is expected, it is not the first nor the last Intel "expensive attempt" that failed miserably.

Intel appears to have given up on smartphones, so what went wrong?

Intel recently reported 12,000 job losses, after struggling to make an impact on the mobile market. Here's a rundown of what Intel has planned for mobile.

www.androidauthority.com

Considering everything that was happening around Intel ARC GPU, again it is all expected.

 

[Glo.]

I only now realized this.

A580 is 384 EU with 256 Bit bus :O.

Now I know why Nvidia might release 3060 with 8 GB VRAM.

A580 having 384 EU/256 bit bus means that there is space for SOC3 with 256 EUs/192 bit bus between A380 and A580.

 

[igor_kavinski]

5 years of agonizing. I don't think this will be the end of it as killing discrete GPUs would solve nothing in the other areas affected.

Shelving it and working on it in stealth mode with minimal budget would be a wise thing to do. Don't speak a word about it until everything is beyond usable and working in excellent condition. That's when they have a right to tout the fruit of their efforts. Raising expectations constantly and then underdelivering damaged their reputation a lot. They let Raja make a mockery of their brand name.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Considering everything that was happening around Intel ARC GPU, again it is all expected.

Yeah. Unexpected was seeing ARC work as well as it did whenever it did work. They got things mostly right. They just need to shut the HELL up and get back to working quietly until everything works. I hope they get the chance to do that finally, now that ARC is supposedly dead (only to resurface later suddenly. Keeping my fingers crossed!).

 

[beginner99]

Intel giving signals they are in it for the long haul:

Intel says it's fully committed to discrete graphics as it shifts focus onto next-gen GPUs

Here I wanted to reply who actually trust intel exec after the lying around process tech the last 10 years?

MLID claims Arc discrete has been killed, it's over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1568521547094151168

And then I saw this. Albeit I still have my doubts. If they polish the thing a bit and then the next iteration, on Intel process, can be a mid-tier high volume card to justify their factories. I suspect even after 4000-series launch there will be a lot of room for good value.

If the cancel dGPU, I think the only conclusion is they are very pessimisitc about their own process. Because making a medicore GPU with low margins on TSMC process indeed does not make a whole lot of sense long term.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dammit, while I realize there was little love for intel in these threads, I really wanted to see them be a decent second choice to the duopoly we currently have.

 

[igor_kavinski]

And then I saw this. Albeit I still have my doubts. If they polish the thing a bit and then the next iteration, on Intel process, can be a mid-tier high volume card to justify their factories.

The same process that causes a 130mm2 ADL CPU die pull 350W in some workloads? Bad idea. Really bad idea.

 

[maddie]

Can we agree that gamer discrete graphics cards GPUs probably have the lowest silicon $ margins for the big 3? Why would Intel, entering a time of difficulties, want this as a burden?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Dammit, while I realize there was little love for intel in these threads, I really wanted to see them be a decent second choice to the duopoly we currently have.

My guess is you refuse to buy AMD

 

[jpiniero]

If the cancel dGPU, I think the only conclusion is they are very pessimisitc about their own process. Because making a medicore GPU with low margins on TSMC process indeed does not make a whole lot of sense long term.

I'm sure that's part of it too. Even assuming mining returns at some point it's just going to be impossible to make it work without it being on their own node. It's kind of a catch 22 because right now they need TSMC to even think they could be remotely competitive.