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Neural texture compression for B580!


Thanks to the new DirectX Cooperative Vectors API, we can directly use AI hardware and speed up the computation by up to a factor of 10 on Intel® Arc™ (B series) GPUs.

EXCITING!!!
 

DavidC1

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Now a new CEO is here, I will reiterate that Intel should NOT abandon their client dGPU efforts.

All the progress they are making with serving customers and rapidly improving drivers? I guarantee if they do iGPU-only it'll disappear again, back to being a mediocre, HD Audio like irrelevance. I heard nonsense from Intel too many times that they'll "focus on GPU", first on X3000 in 2006, then again with the successor, then again with Sandy Bridge, then again with Haswell, and with Iris Xe parts "now we're really going to focus on GPU".

The actual focus? Didn't happen until their real dGPU product, the ARC dGPU. The rest didn't matter. Because simply until 2 years ago, they had zero incentive.

If they announce they'll focus on "AI" only, which means server GPU, then the same result will happen.

Cheap, Fast, Good, and you can only choose two? Well, only the client market requires the most careful balance between all three. Server GPUs don't care about the first, therefore competitors that have client experience will eventually undercut you, and over time be faster as well, because they get learnings from serving an order of magnitude larger customer base.
 

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They have no choice - consumer GPU market can barely sustain 2nd player, nevermind 3rd. They should license AMD's iGPUs and be done with it.
No need to license AMD iGPU IP when you have invested so much into yours it's not like their arch is bad it's the half baked drivers and software that is the issue.
 
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Win2012R2

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No need to license AMD iGPU IP when you have invested so much into yours it's not like their arch is bad it's the half baked drivers and software that is the issue.
It's sunk money, total failure and AMD needs more scale for their Radeon group so licensing iGPU to Intel is no brainer. It's the only rational way out that is best for both Intel and AMD.
 

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It's sunk money, total failure and AMD needs more scale for their Radeon group so licensing iGPU to Intel is no brainer. It's the only rational way out that is best for both Intel and AMD.
It's not sunk money though Intel Xe2 arch is good Xe1 was a letdown but I can't say that about Xe2 and Xe3 is supposedly even bigger change than Xe1 -> Xe2.
 

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I think it's easy to see their obvious driver problems and conclude that is their only weakness. And without competent drivers they have to sell low.

However, the last time I looked into this their perf/area and perf/transistor was really poor. For dGPUs perf/transistors is absolutely crucial.
 

Hans Gruber

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Let's think about this for a minute. Intel is using TSMC for their GPU's. That's good but they will have 18A online by the end of the year. So Intel would have a market advantage using their own silicon moving forward if they were to choose to go that route. Battlemage has been a huge leap forward for Intel. The lack of availability has been a problem. Intel is positioned to take a bite out of Nvidia's 90% market share if they stay the course moving forward.
 

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You still can't find a B580 at retail price, I see a lot but they're all still $350+, some $450 which is stupid. I really wanted one but 5 months in I have officially given up.
 

511

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You still can't find a B580 at retail price, I see a lot but they're all still $350+, some $450 which is stupid. I really wanted one but 5 months in I have officially given up.
This is a scalper issue everyone is affected

I think it's easy to see their obvious driver problems and conclude that is their only weakness. And without competent drivers they have to sell low.

However, the last time I looked into this their perf/area and perf/transistor was really poor. For dGPUs perf/transistors is absolutely crucial.
The perf per transitor is not poor performance per area is it's all due to the fact of them using HP Libs and bigger Metal tracks 🤣

B580 N5: 19.6 Billion xtors size: 272mm2 N5
4060(AD107): 18.9 Billion xtors Size: 159mm2 N4

 

QueBert

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This is a scalper issue everyone is affected


The perf per transitor is not poor performance per area is it's all due to the fact of them using HP Libs and bigger Metal tracks 🤣

B580 N5: 19.6 Billion xtors size: 272mm2 N5
4060(AD107): 18.9 Billion xtors Size: 159mm2 N4


Is it still due to scalpers, or is it Intel isn't making many chips? I find it hard to believe almost half a year after release there's still people willing to pay $350+. I mean obvious the cards that are $350-500 are scalpers, but I never see Intel or Asrock cards in stock for retail. All the expensive ones I see are Chinese brands like Gunnir. Which makes me think Intel & Asrock basically aren't making any cards. Even at a foolish stupid $490 I'm only seeing 1 Asrock Steel Legend card anywhere. The scalper cards are probably mostly old cards that aren't moving much, and new cards don't seem to ever pop up anymore.

I used to at least get a message from Newegg about the card being in stock, yeah it would be out of stock by the time I checked. But I'm not even getting those anymore.
 

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Battlemage has been a huge leap forward for Intel. The lack of availability has been a problem. Intel is positioned to take a bite out of Nvidia's 90% market share if they stay the course moving forward.
Lack of availability because they did not make many since they are losing money on them, it's total waste of otherwise good wafers. They can't stay the course as there is zero prospect they will make any money from dGPUs in market dominated by Nvidia.

18A won't change a thing - they'll use it for CPUs as much higher margin product, their core product that must succeed or they die. The only sane way forward is to cut the deal with AMD, they've done it before, so dust off that paperwork and do it again - only this time proper.
 

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Is it still due to scalpers, or is it Intel isn't making many chips? I find it hard to believe almost half a year after release there's still people willing to pay $350+. I mean obvious the cards that are $350-500 are scalpers, but I never see Intel or Asrock cards in stock for retail. All the expensive ones I see are Chinese brands like Gunnir. Which makes me think Intel & Asrock basically aren't making any cards. Even at a foolish stupid $490 I'm only seeing 1 Asrock Steel Legend card anywhere. The scalper cards are probably mostly old cards that aren't moving much, and new cards don't seem to ever pop up anymore.

I used to at least get a message from Newegg about the card being in stock, yeah it would be out of stock by the time I checked. But I'm not even getting those anymore.
I tend to think that it's Intel not making any chips. Looking at stock trackers like nowinstock, the B580 has less frequent restocks.

But when I checked, there was surprisingly a B580 in stock for $320 at newegg.
 

511

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Intel B580 reference is one of the best looking card imo not to mention the cardboard GPU you get as a showpiece.
 
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