Idontcare: They all refer to the same cartel (around the same timeframe). taltamir made a claim about the ineffectiveness of fines on preventing cartels, and he used the DRAM industry as an example saying that multiple cartels have popped up and when fines were applied, it didn't prevent new ones from popping up. I guess it's probably right if a cartel comes up every 30-40 years or so, since the older management that got burned by the fines have been replaced, humans have short memories, etc, etc. But he's made the claim without any evidence, except to point to a single cartel, and then claiming that fines have not stopped a new one from forming, which I don't see right now (I think we all admit that RAM prices have been absurdly low for the last few months)
I asked for evidence of cartels in the DRAM industry over the past 20 years (I hope it's a reasonable timeframe too), simply because I'm relatively new in the tech part (only started reading about technology in early 2001), and thus I simply don't know whether previous cartels in the DRAM industry had existed before, and got fined as heavily, but then went on to create a new cartel a few years later.
So yes I'm asking taltamir to provide evidence of his claim that multiple cartels have spawned in the DRAM industry in the past 20 years or so (because he made the claim, and specified the DRAM industry as a culprit), and that fines that were designed to burn the executives' hands to ensure that they never try to do it again were applied, and proved ineffective a few years later, when surprise surprise, another cartel was formed (but he hasn't shown any proof of this yet - so I await for him to prove that claim).