Intel has been dubbed EVIL

[craftech]

Originally posted by: craftech
One of two things will happen. It will either be largely ignored by the US "news" networks or they will make excuses for the corporation and knock the EU for doing it. The last thing our "corporate" news media will do is give the details I heard on Radio Free Europe (I mean the BBC) this morning on XM. But,of course some of this will largely depend upon whether other more important news dominates the news cycle such as "Did Brittney Spears shave her head again"?, or "Did John Edwards get his $400 haircut before or after he cheated on his wife"?, or "Did Miss California really have a boob job"?.

John

To further emphasize my point, another EU suit that got little attention in the US media was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...crosoft_antitrust_case

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/m...rs_us_google_microsoft

The EU and it's media serve the public interest. The US and it's media serve corporate interest. That is why we have mindless news cycles filled with trivia, innuendo, rumors, and other topics designed to dumb down the population. That's why we have to resort to the disappearing newspapers or foreign country's news reporting for things that affect us here in the US. In the EU they believe that competition benefits the consumer. In the US they believe that monopoly benefits the consumer.

John

 

[Leyawiin]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Ouch ...

I'm not much into legal practice, but Intel can drag this out, right? I also wonder where this money is going. I doubt it's going to AMD or to the consumer. In which case I'd say, slap on the wrist and let bygones be bygones, coz it will only hurt Intel, and help no one.

Edit: Forgot link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8047546.stm

Now that's an effective way to deal with companies involved in predatory and illegal marketing activities. "We caught you, don't do it again!" /wag finger. Where's the incentive not to do it again if you just "let bygones be bygones"?

I'm glad to see the EU actually punish companies like Microsoft and Intel in a way that will hurt. American courts should have such a spine in dealing with near monopolies. Competition is a good thing. Competition is the back bone of the free market we espouse .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Good for the EU. At least they found a leagel way to Steal others wealth . They stole 1 billion from US economy. We shall see true judgement very soon visited upon ROME.
Intel should not be doing business in EU . Let AMD have it . Intel lower C2D pricie all over the world . Than refuse to sell in EU. The EU is shrinking market same as USA. Fact is I am for Intel pulling out of USA and moving everthing to the east. In todays world it doesn't matter werre product is made . Intel should sell out to the EAST. THe west will slowly steal intels profits from INTELS PRODUCT. The west is to corrupt. I trust the east with tech way more than the West. Westerners in history can't be trusted.

 

[aigomorla]

i think intel will win apeal. EU can only dream and wish intel will bail out there state economy.

EU needs intel more then intel needs EU.
EU Baning intel products will hurt the country more then intel paying the fine.
(Apple is ALSO Intel)

unlike the US, where Intel would need US more then we would need intel.

Basically intel can cut there EU division and say FU, we wont sell or offer tech support in your country because we dont want to pay fine.

Not selling = no monopoly.

In the world population that uses computers, expecially high end new ones, EU holds a very small percentage.

So EU is only shooting themselves in the foot.

I really see this as a cheap attempt to pay out capital state funds from a major corporation.

As someone said, none of the fines are going to the people that got hurt from it.
iE. ViAA, and AMD.

OH u EU People always do have transmeta, although there processors suck big ones..

 

[bgeh]

aigomorla: EU =! UK

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: bgeh
aigomorla: EU =! UK

ACK SORRY TYPO!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Actually trueth de told it looks like this . Rothschild= UK = EU . Thats accurate.

 

[bgeh]

aigo: The EU represents 30% of global CPU sales, so you're not too right either http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30717099/

 

[OCGuy]

In all honesty, it just needs to be over with. Cut the socialists a check, be done with it, and continue making the #1 processors in the world.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: bgeh
aigo: The EU represents 30% of global CPU sales, so you're not too right either http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30717099/

30% vs. 70%

compared to closing a division vs paying 1.45 Billion US dollars.

Which path do you think intel will look at expecially with today's slumming market?

There not gonna pay 1 billion... half that ammount maybe.. but 1.45 Billion, i highly doubt it.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: craftech
To further emphasize my point, another EU suit that got little attention in the US media was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...crosoft_antitrust_case

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/m...rs_us_google_microsoft

The EU and it's media serve the public interest. The US and it's media serve corporate interest.

Gimme a fucking break, that is the lamest shit I have ever heard. The MS case was all over business newspapers, online and offline. The WSJ (the only respectable newspaper at the time and still) covered the case. I did not watch TV back then but I can bet CNBC spent significant airtime on the story.

Do you really expect the shitty tabloids in the US or Europe to cover that case? You think The Sun or Bild will pick up the intel case? I think not. Take your weenie anti-capitalism elsewhere.

Back on topic, this is another case of government corruption, stealing money from private enterprise to pad their ill-gotten gains (i.e. taxes). Let me know when the EU tries to fine Boeing out of business to protect Airbus.

 

[bgeh]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: bgeh
aigo: The EU represents 30% of global CPU sales, so you're not too right either http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30717099/

30% vs. 70%

compared to closing a division vs paying 1.45 Billion US dollars.

Which path do you think intel will look at expecially with today's slumming market?

There not gonna pay 1 billion... half that ammount maybe.. but 1.45 Billion, i highly doubt it.

Have you forgotten about Asia? Africa? Latin America? Asia's pretty big too you know......

I may have no figures about the regional marketshare but I'd argue that the EU would be comparable to the US in terms of global chip sales, if not slightly larger.

 

[aigomorla]

ASIA is not considered EU.

 

[bgeh]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
ASIA is not considered EU.

Your initial statement:

EU needs intel more then intel needs EU. EU Baning intel products will hurt the country more then intel paying the fine. (Apple is ALSO Intel) unlike the US, where Intel would need US more then we would need intel.

You made a comparison between the US and EU, and thus that's the claim I'm trying to debunk, that somehow, market size wise, the EU is much less important than the US.

 

[soccerballtux]

Who cares who gets the money; the point is to keep Intel or anyone else from trying this and thinking they can get away with it. You guys wanting some of the cash are completely missing the point, the EU is there for discipline not restitution handing out checks to you guys. Typical socialist attitude, give me the rich guy's money, etc.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: bgeh

Originally posted by: aigomorla
ASIA is not considered EU.

Your initial statement:

EU needs intel more then intel needs EU. EU Baning intel products will hurt the country more then intel paying the fine. (Apple is ALSO Intel) unlike the US, where Intel would need US more then we would need intel.

You made a comparison between the US and EU, and thus that's the claim I'm trying to debunk, that somehow, market size wise, the EU is much less important than the US.

oh im sorry i should of used the term, the rest of the global world then.

 

[ilkhan]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Cheap prices? How much was the Q6600 until Intel got concerned about Phenom price/performance? And what about the 45nm quad lineup prices until PhII came out? Cheap prices only happen when we have access to competing products...something Intel sought to prevent from happening in this EU case.

Regulators said Intel also paid Germany's biggest electronics retailer, Media Saturn Holding ? which owns the MediaMarkt superstores ? from 2002 to 2007 to only stock Intel-based computers.

Where is i7 priced now? And how long until Intel moves 45nm i7 bloomfield to 32nm? Oh yeah, you people buying products from Intel's "we got no competition here" division get to wait another full year before your Gulftown is available.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that a new and clearly superior product shouldn't be priced as such solely because its from the dominant company?

I agree with bobman, whatever intel paid simply went into the retailer as reduced prices for the product. It would have hurt the retailers who didn't agree / did sell AMD more than it hurt AMD itself.

 

[footballrunner800]

I just went to the amd site and see this on their main page. lol

 

[Kuzi]

Since Intel was found guilty, and AMD lost sales (money) and market share because of those illegal practices, why doesn't AMD get all or part of the fine? I mean, it was AMD that sued Intel in the first place. AMD was the company that got harmed. This huge fine all going to the EU doesn't make sense to me.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Kuzi
Since Intel was found guilty, and AMD lost sales (money) and market share because of those illegal practices, why doesn't AMD get all or part of the fine? I mean, it was AMD that sued Intel in the first place. AMD was the company that got harmed. This huge fine all going to the EU doesn't make since to me.

AMD harms themselves by putting out inferior products.

 

[Kuzi]

Originally posted by: OCguy
AMD harms themselves by putting out inferior products.

The fine was for the period from 2002 to 2007, to which Intel had the inferior products (for the most part), especially the 2003 to 2006 period untill Core 2 got released in July 2006.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Good for the EU. At least they found a leagel way to Steal others wealth . They stole 1 billion from US economy. We shall see true judgement very soon visited upon ROME.
Intel should not be doing business in EU . Let AMD have it . Intel lower C2D pricie all over the world . Than refuse to sell in EU. The EU is shrinking market same as USA. Fact is I am for Intel pulling out of USA and moving everthing to the east. In todays world it doesn't matter werre product is made . Intel should sell out to the EAST. THe west will slowly steal intels profits from INTELS PRODUCT. The west is to corrupt. I trust the east with tech way more than the West. Westerners in history can't be trusted.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
i think intel will win apeal. EU can only dream and wish intel will bail out there state economy.

EU needs intel more then intel needs EU.
EU Baning intel products will hurt the country more then intel paying the fine.
(Apple is ALSO Intel)

unlike the US, where Intel would need US more then we would need intel.

Basically intel can cut there EU division and say FU, we wont sell or offer tech support in your country because we dont want to pay fine.

Not selling = no monopoly.

In the world population that uses computers, expecially high end new ones, EU holds a very small percentage.

So EU is only shooting themselves in the foot.

I really see this as a cheap attempt to pay out capital state funds from a major corporation.

As someone said, none of the fines are going to the people that got hurt from it.
iE. ViAA, and AMD.

OH u EU People always do have transmeta, although there processors suck big ones..

Hahahaha you people never cease to amaze me

You don't know anything about how businesses operate, do you?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Kuzi
Since Intel was found guilty, and AMD lost sales (money) and market share because of those illegal practices, why doesn't AMD get all or part of the fine? I mean, it was AMD that sued Intel in the first place. AMD was the company that got harmed. This huge fine all going to the EU doesn't make sense to me.

i wouldnt be ranting if the money was gonna be split and sent to AMD and VIAA.

however we all know exactly whats gonna happen with this money.

the EU will obviously drop it into the states's funds and use it in this time of market failure.

I dont think Intel wants to do this.

Originally posted by: Turkish

Hahahaha you people never cease to amaze me

You don't know anything about how businesses operate, do you?

Not very into international politics.... But i figure intel can always pull out of the country and close there branch if worse came to worse.

1.45 Billion... once again is a LOT of money.

Okey Aigo will shut up from now. :X

I appologize if i offended any EU people, i love your countries tho!

 

[brblx]

what illegal practices are they even talking about?

they gave 'incentives' to manufacturers for using their chips? since when is this a new practice? a company buys your shit, you try and take care of them to have them continue to buy your shit.

might as well make it illegal to advertise.

 

[zerogear]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
That is a nice way of making some money during a recession

Yes, let's take a good America based company and fine them 15% of their cash reserves. How about Intel just pulls all Intel products from the shelves in the EU instead? While we're at it, let's pull all Microsoft licenses at the same time.

Yes, do illegal things and not get punished. Typical response from majority of people who are clueless on what happened.

No matter what spin you put on it, Intel did some very illegal activities back in the day. I disagree with the EU receiving the money as it should be going back to the consumers or AMD.

I think you mistook my post. I'm also mad that the EU is getting the money. Intel is not faultless and it has been proven time and time again that their past tactics were anti-competitive. What good does it do the situation to pad the EU regulator's bankbook though? It doesn't help the already effected companies in the least. It might make their futures better, but that's assuming the anti-competitive tactics don't run the small fry into the ground before that future comes about.

I would love to see the backlash from EU companies against the EU commission, if all of a sudden they could not use MS or Intel products however.

I think the Microsoft situation was a little different. It was about Internet Explorer and/or Windows Media Player being installed? Kinda silly I think - it's really easy to install a competitor's product.

With Intel, if you buy a machine based on their processor, it's not easy to switch to AMD. Hence, the anti-competitive practices on AMD should be dealt with rather harshly.

For the fine, what does it go towards? Some blanket EU bank account?

I've always wondered, if they did remove IE, for example from Windows, how would people get other browsers?