Intel has been reduced to the follower

[formulav8]

I just read something that Intel is copying AMD again. They are releasing a Cool n Quiet clone or something like that.



Jason

 

[n0cmonkey]

It's good to have competition.

 

[n0cmonkey]

More speculation

It is not true. Prescott does not support the NX bit. Prescott 2 (a
name I am making up, because I do not know what the name really is)
does contain support... thus far we believe it will be 100% AMD64
compatible.. but we never know.

Is this just a case of mistaken identity?

 

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
They know they've eeked all they can out of the P4 architechture, and they cancelled Tejas and Jayhawk because of it.

Ah Ilmater, you wise CPU architect, you. Since you have such an intimate understanding of Intel's NetBurst architecture and how it operates, could you please explain to me why the P4 has run out of headroom?


...


I just love it when people go around preaching how "badly" technology companies mess up in their architecture designs, as if they could do a better job. Intel has by far some of the world's most talented engineers, yet computer enthusiasts sitting at home think they can claim their work is flawed. Until you're an EE or CpE who has CPU design under their belt, I'd leave the speculation up to the big boys.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Soviet
Only the xeons? They have the worlds highest selling processor the P4 trailed by the celeron as the worlds 2nd, they must make a large profit from that as with most things it costs pittence to produce them. Where did you see these intel profit figures?

it costs a "pittance" to produce them? Umm...how about no. It's truly a miracle that chips are as cheap as they are, since it costs so much to make them. You start out with a fab costing in the billions of dollars since you have to jam-pack it with clean rooms and some of the most modern (read: expensive) equipment in the world, hire very highly trained (read: very highly paid) technicians to run it, and even after you have designed the chip and gotten the masks made (once again employing the services of very highly paid people and very expensive equipment), 99.9999.....% pure silicon isn't quite as cheap as, say, sand.

Now, due to the nature of the process, you have to throw out a surprising number of chips. Think about it. The fact that companies bother to "rescue" chips by downclocking them/disabling some cache and selling them as Celerons should tell you they're seeking to save money wherever they can. In most industrial processes, unless you're making really large-scale stuff or it's a really easy fix, you just throw out the defects.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Soviet
Only the xeons? They have the worlds highest selling processor the P4 trailed by the celeron as the worlds 2nd, they must make a large profit from that as with most things it costs pittence to produce them. Where did you see these intel profit figures?

it costs a "pittance" to produce them? Umm...how about no. It's truly a miracle that chips are as cheap as they are, since it costs so much to make them. You start out with a fab costing in the billions of dollars since you have to jam-pack it with clean rooms and some of the most modern (read: expensive) equipment in the world, hire very highly trained (read: very highly paid) technicians to run it, and even after you have designed the chip and gotten the masks made (once again employing the services of very highly paid people and very expensive equipment), 99.9999.....% pure silicon isn't quite as cheap as, say, sand.

Now, due to the nature of the process, you have to throw out a surprising number of chips. Think about it. The fact that companies bother to "rescue" chips by downclocking them/disabling some cache and selling them as Celerons should tell you they're seeking to save money wherever they can. In most industrial processes, unless you're making really large-scale stuff or it's a really easy fix, you just throw out the defects.[/quote]

Ok but the fabs, equiptment and clean rooms are all a one off payment. Its not as if they need to keep building new ones every time they need to make a new processor. As for the technicians and highly skilled people, there isnt a huge workforce of like 10000 of these guys in each factory, if anyones got the highest amount of automation in their production line then it would be intel. They only employ 78000 people and have 294 facilities now thats 265.3 people in each facilitiy, now of course it isnt spread as evenly as this but it gives a good idea of the amount of people they actually employ and have to pay wages for. These include cleaners, tea people, etc etc theyre not all technicians. As for the silicon well yea of course its gonna cost, but it isnt a lot to intel.

Its just wasteful to not save the chips, its not that they need to or anything its just a total waste of chips that could otherwise be sold. Also no other "industrial process" takes so many steps and refinements to make an end product. It takes somthing like 250 steps to produce a processor and that means theres the heck of a lot of places things can go wrong. This isnt cost cutting or saving money its *making* money. They will never throw out the defects no matter how much money they actually make/lose because its just daft to throw out so much.

Anyways they dont have astronomical costs in production, they have costs but they are affordable. Most of their money goes into R&D.

 

[tart666]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: tart666

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: tart666

That just shows Intel rule over Amd as a company and they got nothing to fear despite the crap celerons/hot underperforming prescotts/high prices they still manage to own Amd in profits ahaha

i wouldn't be so sure anymore... Analysis of Intel's profits usually shows they ONLY make profit on the Xeon line... while breaking even / losing money on P4/Cel lines.

Now AMD has a reasonable Xeon competitor, the profit situation should be a much closer match

Only the xeons? They have the worlds highest selling processor the P4 trailed by the celeron as the worlds 2nd, they must make a large profit from that as with most things it costs pittence to produce them. Where did you see these intel profit figures?

some research company, can't remember now... They said ONLY the server section of the Intel product line was contributing to profits... Which makes sense, Intel has been adjusting P4/Celery pricing at will to keep AMD from making a profit, and overcharging for the Xeons for years

Now Opterons are still in the thousands on volume, when that picks up, AMD should making a profit too

So, you're saying that their $5.6 billion of net profit was from Xeons only? Nah...

well, that presentation was from a couple of years ago... and it covered the logic part of the business only...

 

[superHARD]

Originally posted by: txxxx
Intel make profit - lots of it. Like they care who they follow.

lol...It's about pride too!