Intel Haswell-E price list available

[jj109]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-pentium-g3258-review

I had a feeling that shamelessly unprofessional reviews from sites like TechReport testing 1-2 worthless dual threaded games would lead to erroneous conclusions that somehow 4.5Ghz dual core Pentium is fast enough for modern games. Checking proper reviews of sites like Sweclockers or Digital foundry or AT quickly revealed it to be grossly inadequate even for a GTX760 in games such as BF4, Crysis 3. Add Watch Dogs, Arma 3.

Not saying 4790K won't last 3-4 years but all it takes is 1-2 hugely popular games like it did during Q9550 vs. e8400 generation and it makes the purchase for 5820 worth it to dual GPU users especially.

Again, when the switch happened from dual to quad core, very quickly all Core 2 Duos became obsolete. We can't say when that will happen if at all in the next 5 years but then why even argue for the 4790k? In that case, might as well save $100 and get 4690k and upgrade when more games take advantage of more than 4 threads. This argument goes both ways.

Somehow people think paying $100 for HT is worth it but $100 more for 2 more cores is not worth it.....

Funny that you cite Sweclockers as a source... they didn't even overclock the G3258 for most of the suite and wasted 95% of the review on stock and integrated graphics.

 

[jihe]

4930k with less cache than 5820k and $150 more expensive??

 

[Grooveriding]

My main concern with the octocore is hoping it will overclock as well as the hexcore, just with the requirement of additional voltage and power consumption.

Anyone venture a guess as to why the octo is coming clocked lower beyond keeping it within a TDP threshold ? Is it possible that it cannot clock as well as the hex or that it is just a power consumption and heat output decision ?

I want to get 4.6 out of the 5960X, if it takes 1.4V that is fine with me, that's what the Intel overclock warranty is for.

 

[Techhog]

My main concern with the octocore is hoping it will overclock as well as the hexcore, just with the requirement of additional voltage and power consumption.

Anyone venture a guess as to why the octo is coming clocked lower beyond keeping it within a TDP threshold ? Is it possible that it cannot clock as well as the hex or that it is just a power consumption and heat output decision ?

I want to get 4.6 out of the 5960X, if it takes 1.4V that is fine with me, that's what the Intel overclock warranty is for.

It's definitely power consumption and heat. That said, both of those things will most likely cause lower max overclocks on all 8 cores either way. 1.4V for 4.6GHz on all cores actually sounds conservative imo. You'll most likely need a custom loop if you want a serious all-core overclock. Personally, I'd just make a custom turbo-boost for 6 and 8 cores.

 

[YBS1]

In guessing the reason it's clocked lower by default is to fit within the TDP window. Like you though I'm worried it won't clock as high simply due to the additional cores increasing the heat density in such a small area. With sub ambient I guess this won't matter, but basic air/water might not be enough to get same clocks as the hex cores?

 

[Techhog]

Actually, the low max single-core turbo is VERY concerning... It might be wise to wait for Broadwell-E if you want an octocore for overclocking. Either way, you'd still want a water loop dedicated to the CPU.

 

[YBS1]

Interesting thought, because there will be less RAM slots, but I'm guessing that the overall TDP of the HEDT CPUs may make that a bit prohibitive, for "most" mini-ITX cases. (How many mini-ITX cases exist that can take aftermarket tower heatpipe coolers?)

I had considered the ram issue, but was thinking maybe even more creative use of board space could allow for an additional two ram slots. I had overlooked the cooling issues though. You're probably right, they can't assume everyone will be using compact water solutions.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm not too worried about cooling as I have a lot of radiator; 2x480 and 1x240. I could even add a spare 360 I have into the loop, but what I have now is pretty sufficient for 2 GPUs and a 250+W TDP CPU.

I'm confident I can keep it cool enough, but going on Haswell temps as they relate to voltages, it seems about 1.4 is what is a reasonable limit on water, and this is an 8 core chip to boot. Although a max load AVX stress test temp is not something I care about cooling sufficiently - just a normal gaming or video encoding load. For once I think the CPU reviews where they just crank voltage without any real tuning to see max clocks will be helpful I could live with 4.4, that is still going to be faster than my overclocked SB-E, but 4.6 would be decent to have.

 

[Techhog]

It would have been cool if Intel had gone all-out and made a truly enthusiast Extreme Edition at 200-250W stock TDP 9590-style... except with the performance to back up that TDP lol.

 

[YBS1]

I wasn't referring to the radiators ability to dissipate the total thermal load but rather the ability to remove it from the source fast enough. I may be completely off though.

 

[Rebel44]

If Intel want us to buy, they IMO need to give us better reason (Intel pretty much compete with their past CPUs) and I have quadcore CPU since 2007 (first Q6600 now 2600K - both OCed).

I have no problem spending 500$ for 8 core CPU, but pricing in OP is just retarded and doesnt justify upgrade to new platform.

 

[Makaveli]

If Intel want us to buy, they IMO need to give us better reason (Intel pretty much compete with their past CPUs) and I have quadcore CPU since 2007 (first Q6600 now 2600K - both OCed).

I have no problem spending 500$ for 8 core CPU, but pricing in OP is just retarded and doesnt justify upgrade to new platform.

I think expecting to get a 8 core cpu for $500 is :whiste:

 

[Ajay]

It would have been cool if Intel had gone all-out and made a truly enthusiast Extreme Edition at 200-250W stock TDP 9590-style... except with the performance to back up that TDP lol.

I think Intel's top bracket right now is 160 W TDP for Xeons (excluding Phi). I also think that a 160 W hexacore would have been ideal for the second of the three HW-Es (for those who aren't looking to overclock, ala the 4790).

Me, I hope to go custom H2O if I go with HW-E. If I wait till BD-E, I doubt I'll need anything more than my current AIO.

 

[Pwndenburg]

I currently own the locked Haswell. If I do upgrade to the E, it would simply be for the M.2 x4. Is it compatible with the new intel pci sdd standard? That's my only remaining question?

Thanks,

Ken

 

[VirtualLarry]

I currently own the locked Haswell. If I do upgrade to the E, it would simply be for the M.2 x4. Is it compatible with the new intel pci sdd standard? That's my only remaining question?

Thanks,

Ken

It requires a whole new motherboard and chipset, it's not a drop-in replacement for Haswell.

 

[Pwndenburg]

That part I do get. I know what I'm signing up for, I just wanted to alleviate all doubt regarding that one piece. My view is that the Haswell-E platform will have all the connections for the new coming storage tech and IPC increases are damn near negligible now. I think I'll just go ahead and jump on this. If I'm wrong and they make significant progress then I can always return to the mainstream. If DDR4 improves over time I'm assuming that you could perform a drop in upgrade to faster memory... if it even matters.

 

[Rebel44]

I think expecting to get a 8 core cpu for $500 is :whiste:

Quadcore CPU from Intel was availible for 266$ 7 years ago and I expect some progress.

 

[Grooveriding]

That part I do get. I know what I'm signing up for, I just wanted to alleviate all doubt regarding that one piece. My view is that the Haswell-E platform will have all the connections for the new coming storage tech and IPC increases are damn near negligible now. I think I'll just go ahead and jump on this. If I'm wrong and they make significant progress then I can always return to the mainstream. If DDR4 improves over time I'm assuming that you could perform a drop in upgrade to faster memory... if it even matters.

X99, the HW-E platform, is going to support M.2 x4 along with DDR4. On launch it will be the most advanced platform available, but that will only last so long as until Intel releases their next mainstream CPU which will likely bring some new features with it not available on X99.

 

[Idontcare]

Quadcore CPU from Intel was availible for 266$ 7 years ago and I expect some progress.

What is stopping you? Upgrade to a sub-$266 6 or 8 core AMD processor anytime you desire.

 

[NTMBK]

Quadcore CPU from Intel was availible for 266$ 7 years ago and I expect some progress.

You could have had a Phenom II X6 years ago!

 

[Makaveli]

Quadcore CPU from Intel was availible for 266$ 7 years ago and I expect some progress.

There was a competitive market 7 years ago!

We are living in the present not the past what you want doesn't line up with how the market is currently.

 

[Rebel44]

You could have had a Phenom II X6 years ago!

Problem is that those are slower than my current quadcore - just because AMD offering is POS, doesnt mean that Intel can stop increasing performance and still get same money from me.

 

[Rebel44]

There was a competitive market 7 years ago!

We are living in the present not the past what you want doesn't line up with how the market is currently.

True, but Intel is still competing against its past CPU - insignificant increase in performance means that there is little reason to buy new CPUs.

 

[Makaveli]

True, but Intel is still competing against its past CPU - insignificant increase in performance means that there is little reason to buy new CPUs.

Yes and if you follow intel's history they never lower prices on previous highend models they just phase them out.

If you skip generations there is a jump in performance. I'm going Gulftown to Haswell E, if you are someone expecting huge gains going from gen to gen you will be disappointed.

Platform upgrades will force people to upgrade eventually.

You want DDR4? or Faster than SATA 6 speeds?
New instruction sets?

I understand what you want but your pricing is unrealistic.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yup. The best way to buy Intel CPUs is skip a generation, even two, and then buy again. Otherwise if you're expecting a noticeable upgrade every generation you'll be disappointed. Even GPUs are going this way with small performance increases every generation, although in their case it seems more out of forced circumstance unlike Intel which does not seem to focus on anything but big power consumption improvements and a drop of performance.