Intel have been secretly building Sandy Bridge CPUs as high as June 2015 manufactured date...

[VirtualLarry]

The difference between waltchan and I, among other things, is he seem to like to play with older tech, that is also lower-end. I (used to?) primarily deal in lower-end tech, but at least my tech was up-to-date.
(Skylake Celerons / Pentiums, etc.)

I don't quite understand the fetish for older tech with a newer mfg date. I could maybe understand that for HDD stock, but CPUs?

Edit: I'll admit, I always enjoy a bargain on tech, and I've been known to purchase NOS before, but I think that I would draw the line, currently, at pre-Haswell stuff.

Not interested in buying up Core2 / Sandy / Ivy stuff. Nor pre-GCN or pre-Kepler GPUs.

 

[waltchan]

The difference between waltchan and I, among other things, is he seem to like to play with older tech, that is also lower-end. I (used to?) primarily deal in lower-end tech, but at least my tech was up-to-date.
(Skylake Celerons / Pentiums, etc.

There's a big misunderstanding on what I do. I buy the older sockets only because they're more affordable and easier for me to install and use. I don't always like the slower speed in old sockets, of course. Certainly, I like all new stuff and love to own all new Kaby Lakes, but sometimes in life, I can't have everything in the world.

I found very, very little difference in performance speed between Ivy Bridge and Haswell, and Haswell is way more expensive for me.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, largely, the problem that I've seen with older tech, especially CPUs, is that obtaining actual NEW motherboards for them, is really spotty. It's not so much performance issues. Heck, if I could still get Core2-era mobos, NEW, for like $40 that weren't some off-brand from China (like a nice Gigabyte G31/G41 micro-ATX board instead), then I might still build some E8400/E8500/E8600 rigs for people. Performance of those chips wasn't horrible, and it's only up until Kaby Lake Celeron, that their lowest-end chips compete in frequency with some of those old-but-goody (at the time, higher-end) Core2 CPUs.

But like I was looking on ebay last night for mobos, and I saw some Biostar B150S1 boards from not-so-big-league dealers NEW for $44.99 FS. Not too bad. Not as good as the four I obtained from Newegg for $28 shipped, after discount and 50% off promo code one time, but still, a decent price, cheaper than the $55 for a B150 MSI board refurb that you can get from Newegg on ebay right now, or $60-65 for the cheapest NEW B250 boards on Newegg.com. Back to the point, you can get NEW KBL Celeron CPUs for less money than you can get Skylake Celerons, even when they were current. $43 or so. So $45 for board, $43 for CPU brand-new retail-boxed with heatsink, and maybe $50 on sale for an 8GB DDR4 DIMM, so $150 for board+CPU+RAM. And it's upgradable to an i7-7700(K), should the user ever want to. (But I generally buy the Kaby Lake G4560 CPUs when I can get them for under $65, they perform so much better than the $43 Celeron CPUs, that it's worth it, especially since I can turn them into budget 1080P gaming rigs for an $80-120 GPU.)

That's what got me to buy those FM1 boards and CPUs, because they were so inexpensive (CPU + mobo + heatsink for under $50), because they were all NEW, and FM1, though short-lived, wasn't too bad. And true to what you said, waltchan, those boards were fully-supported by Win10, just install, go online, and it finds ALL the drivers for those boards. Now if only Win10 licenses were cheaper...

Edit: And then there's the issue of RAM capacity, and availability.
Those older but decent Gigabyte G31/G41 boards, took two slots of up to 2GB DDR2, I believe, limiting their overall RAM capacity to 4GB DDR2. I think that chipset supported DDR3, so more modern variants could use 2x4GB DDR3, limiting total memory capacity to 8GB, but that may still be too limiting several years down the line. (My DeskMini units have 2x8GB DDR4-2400 in them, and I caught Waterfox 53.x using up to 10GB of RAM, all by itself the other day. So the days of 8GB systems may be limited. Also with gaming.)

 

[cbn]

Now if only Win10 licenses were cheaper...

Have you tried searching ebay for new never been opened (ie, sealed with the red tape) Windows 10 Pro System builder envelopes?

 

[cbn]

I buy the older sockets only because they're more affordable and easier for me to install and use. I don't always like the slower speed in old sockets, of course.

DDR3 (in the form of 2GB sticks) can be pretty cheap on the used market too, especially the DDR3 1333 used by Sandy Bridge.

P.S. DDR3 1066 is usually cheaper than DDR3 1333 and I do wonder if that would even have any detrimental effect on Sandy Bridge Pentium?

EDIT: Looks like DDR3 1333 is also the cheapest RAM on the new market as well (DDR3 and DDR4) when I checked prices of 4GB modules today at Newegg.

 

[cbn]

That's a tricky question to answer, I don't really know how many I need, actually. I have three cars, and each car has two PC towers in case I need to check in a hotel room. Currently they're all A4-3300 FM1 and some LGA1155. The cleaning maids often steal it when I'm not at the room, so I go back to my car and grab the backup. Had two stolen before. That's why I can only buy obsolete CPUs and 2GB RAM max, due to this scenario I'm doing.

Refurb corporate laptops (with Core i5 2520M, etc) are really cheap and even the cheapest ones come with 4GB RAM these days. I would use that instead.

In fact, I think refurb can work in a lot other cases as well.

 

[bigboxes]

That's a tricky question to answer, I don't really know how many I need, actually. I have three cars, and each car has two PC towers in case I need to check in a hotel room. Currently they're all A4-3300 FM1 and some LGA1155. The cleaning maids often steal it when I'm not at the room, so I go back to my car and grab the backup. Had two stolen before. That's why I can only buy obsolete CPUs and 2GB RAM max, due to this scenario I'm doing.

I had to go back and find this post. I overlooked it due to overwhelming amount of absurdity in this thread. Three cars, two towers... for potential hotel visits.
Two because of...

. Then there's the admission that they all have A4-3300, one of the most craptastic processors on the face of the Earth (I have one that resides in my file server). Through all the bs, why doesn't the OP just bring a laptop when he's going out of town and why doesn't he take that same laptop and stow it in the trunk of his car when he's away from the hotel room for the day? Things that make you go hmmmmm...

 

[waltchan]

i3-2130 suffers an additional 35% depreciation drop (now $21 starting) since I last sold mines for $34 shipped last month, which was also the lowest price. I feel so lucky... My buyer isn't happy at all and refuses to leave me a positive feedback, and I always run the risk that he disputes the transaction lying to me that it's DOA from shipment and wants to return it for a full refund. eBay always favor the buyer.

That's why I don't like selling used Intel processors nowadays due to huge concerns with depreciation and their very poor customer support, and seller always loses. Buyers always win by returning multiple times and finding the next lowest price.

Very scary... A used FX-4100 is now double the price than i3-2130.

 

[DrMrLordX]

It's a shame that you spend so much time and effort hustling used silicon on eBay when you could do lots of things that are far more lucrative and far less time-consuming.

 

[VirtualLarry]

It's a shame that you spend so much time and effort hustling used silicon on eBay when you could do lots of things that are far more lucrative and far less time-consuming.

Maybe this behavior will be included in the next DSM.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Maybe this behavior will be included in the next DSM.

That would be a hell of a write-up.

 

[cbn]

i3-2130 suffers an additional 35% depreciation drop (now $21 starting) since I last sold mines for $34 shipped last month, which was also the lowest price. I feel so lucky... My buyer isn't happy at all and refuses to leave me a positive feedback, and I always run the risk that he disputes the transaction lying to me that it's DOA from shipment and wants to return it for a full refund. eBay always favor the buyer.

That's why I don't like selling used Intel processors nowadays due to huge concerns with depreciation and their very poor customer support, and seller always loses. Buyers always win by returning multiple times and finding the next lowest price.

I don't think what you are describing is likely to happen.

It is making a lot of assumptions about a lot of things.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

Buying used would make sense only if a modern day counter parts does not exist for the same price. Why buy a used i5 4460 for 130 bucks(it's average selling price) on eBay for instance if modern day 130 bucks kaby i3 performs better?

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

I am a cash starve student but even I will be willing to wait a few more nights tables for a more modern cpus than techs older than Sandy, ivy bridged even.

 

[cbn]

Why buy a used i5 4460 for 130 bucks(it's average selling price) on eBay for instance if modern day 130 bucks kaby i3 performs better?

I've seen Haswell Core i5 SFF desktops (with Windows 10 Pro) for $150 shipped from a Microsoft Authorized refurbisher when on sale. Ivy Bridge Core i5 (at the same time) was $82 shipped.

So used can work, just buy the processor with a desktop and OS attached to it.

 

[waltchan]

Why buy a used i5 4460 for 130 bucks(it's average selling price) on eBay for instance if modern day 130 bucks kaby i3 performs better?

i5-2400s are going for $40 now. Surprise, surprise... If you do a little more research, you'll be surprised to see how much LGA1155 can save you money vs. LGA1151. But you don't have to buy now, they will drop further to $30 next year in 2018, and then the eBay marketplace becomes a very busy and hectic place to buy new leftover LGA1155 boards. And FX-4100 will still be more-expensive.

 

[cbn]

i5-2400s are going for $40 now. Surprise, surprise... If you do a little more research, you'll be surprised to see how much LGA1155 can save you vs. LGA1151. But you don't have to buy now, they will drop further to $30 next year in 2018, and then the eBay marketplace becomes a very busy and hectic place to buy new leftover LGA1155 boards.

Also consider next year around this same time Haswell will be at the 5 year mark.....and then (via corporations turning over a generation of computers) we should see the same large depreciation of Core i5 4570 desktops like we did with Core i5 3470 (Ivy Bridge) desktops this year (which hit the 5 year just recently).

So $10 depreciation of a processor (with old features) vs. much larger depreciation on complete desktops with more modern features?

 

[waltchan]

Also consider next year around this same time Haswell will be at the 5 year mark.....and then (via corporations turning over a generation of computers) we should see the same large depreciation of Core i5 4570 desktops like we did with Core i5 3470 (Ivy Bridge) desktops this year (which hit the 5 year just recently).

So $10 depreciation of a processor (with old features) vs. much larger depreciation on complete desktops with more modern features?

I don't think Haswell will start depreciating majority until Newegg no longer sell any new LGA1150 boards. That will be 2019 or so, I'm estimating. Some people still run Windows 7, and LGA1150 socket is the last full-support.

For now, expect to see i5-4460 to float around between $100 and $140 range for the next 2 years, while i5-2400 will be touching as low as $20. Uneven gap, yes.

 

[cbn]

For now, expect to see i5-4460 to float around between $100 and $140 range for the next 2 years, while i5-2400 will be touching as low as $20. Uneven gap, yes.

I think the price will be lower than that.

With that mentioned, If history repeats itself Haswell desktop depreciation will end up much greater than Haswell processor depreciation.

Take for example the current situation with Core i5 3470....the complete desktops (with Windows 10 Pro) can be very cheap but the processor by itself still goes for $60 shipped on ebay.

 

[waltchan]

I think the price will be lower than that.

$85 would be the absolute minimum price for i5-4460 in 2019, but most likely it should retain a little above $95. Don't get excited yet. You'll see... Prices don't fall down like a cliff unless Newegg no longer sell any LGA1150 boards.

In early-2016 when there were about 10 LGA1155 board models left, i5-2400s were still selling for $90-$100 range, and i3-2130 at $60-$70 range.

 

[cbn]

$85 would be the absolute minimum price for i5-4460 in 2019, but most likely it should retain a little above $95.

Not sure why we are focusing on Core i5 4460, but Core i5 4570 (the most common 84W Core i5 CPU found in corporate desktops) is already down to $124 shipped.

 

[cbn]

Don't get excited yet. You'll see... Prices don't fall down like a cliff unless Newegg no longer sell any LGA1150 boards.

In early-2016 when there were about 10 LGA1155 board models left, i5-2400s were still selling for $90-$100 range, and i3-2130 at $60-$70 range.

Here was a post from July 22nd 2015 where I wrote the cheapest Sandy Bridge core i5 was $105 shipped.

On January 24th 2016 I wrote here that the Core i5 2400 was $86 and the Core i5 2400S was $84.

So that is about $20 depreciation over six months during a time when you claim new boards still available at Newegg.

(Hardly falling off a cliff, but to me that is one reason I think the Haswell Core i5 will drop lower than you think in 2018).

 

[NTMBK]

Buying used would make sense only if a modern day counter parts does not exist for the same price. Why buy a used i5 4460 for 130 bucks(it's average selling price) on eBay for instance if modern day 130 bucks kaby i3 performs better?

If you already have a Haswell system with a Pentium or i3, it makes a lot of sense. $130 in place upgrade Vs entire new system, it's a no brainer

 

[waltchan]

(Hardly falling off a cliff, but to me that is one reason I think the Haswell Core i5 will drop lower than you think in 2018).

You're right. But it doesn't matter to me anyways or like I care, I just picked up a i3-4170 for $60 shipped with June 2016 manufactured date. i5 is still too expensive for me, will always be, and I very rarely research on it or keep up with i5 news.

 

[waltchan]

As everyone can see, Intel's depreciation rate is never pretty. i5-4570 originally sold for $229.99. Buy at your own risk...