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Regarding these late date older generation processors, I am assuming you want to want to combine this with new motherboard because you need reliable (over many years) 40+ hour per week usage.

With that mentioned, I wonder what the power consumption difference would be between Sandy Bridge, Haswell and Kabylake systems all using the same brand and model PSU?

Maybe Core i5 2400 vs. Core i5 4570S vs. G4560?
 

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Regarding these late date older generation processors, I am assuming you want to want to combine this with new motherboard because you need reliable (over many years) 40+ hour per week usage.
My impression is that he then re-sells these recent-mfg CPUs, on ebay, as "Intel 2016 CPU" or something like that.

Kind of like the sellers of "box PS4"... and then you just receive a box, for a PS4.

Why else would he repeatedly complain about unsatisfied buyers wanting to return his chips?

And why else would he have mentioned buying new old stock PCs, and then swapping CPUs to a lesser one?
 

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@ Virtual Larry,

Walt Chan did mention using late manufacture CPU with new motherboard in the following post:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...nufactured-date.2502992/page-10#post-38903386

Just received my new official 2016 (almost 2017) i3-2120 in the mail on Friday. Gorgeous... It will be paired with my new ASRock B75-Pro3-M board, which was made on August 2014, one of the last LGA1155 boards made. By 2016, there's only ECS H61H2-MV left.

@ Walt chan, regarding what you wrote in the quote below....one thing I have noticed is that the top CPU for any given generation usually hold on to their value very well. In fact, if you really are concerned about this it would probably be much better to move onto a newer generation mid tier chip than wait for a older Core i7 to drop down in price to $20.

I don't have any plans to upgrade to a newer Intel socket, only AMD. The fastest CPU it can take for this board is i7-3770. I also need an estimate when this will depreciate down to less than $20 shipped. Then when i7-4770 comes down to less than $20, I will move on to LGA1150 next, probably year 2023. Buy new board now, save it, buy CPU 5 years later. How hard is that.

Example: Q9650 at $48 (or best offer) shipped vs. Core i5 2400 at $42 shipped.
 
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My impression is that he then re-sells these recent-mfg CPUs, on ebay, as "Intel 2016 CPU" or something like that
I have at least 10 left to order on eBay, why would I resell them. I just purchased four new ECS H61H2-MV for $46 each after all eBay coupons and cashback apply from Ascendtech, same place where you got the FM1 boards. It's now $59.99 again.

Newegg charges sales tax to California residents, so even if they have them for $39.99 each, it's actually $44 for me. Thanks to California sales tax imposed by Newegg, I am more reluctant to move on to Kaby Lake than if I live in Arizona in first place, since I find them more expensive to buy than Haswell at launch year of 2014. 2014 was more cheaper than 2017. The loss of TigerDirect was very tragic news for me, everything just cost more now.
 
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So going back to my question in post #277, now that I know Walt is using Core i3 2120 I wonder how that compares in power consumption (idle/daily usage/video watching) to something like Haswell Pentium or Skylake/Kabylake Celeron? This assuming the PSU is the same and the motherboard is similar.

P.S. If using with Windows 10 that Core i3 2120 won't have a graphics driver so I don't think the hardware decode will work. That means the CPU will have to be used whenever watching a video.
 

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P.S. If using with Windows 10 that Core i3 2120 won't have a graphics driver so I don't think the hardware decode will work. That means the CPU will have to be used whenever watching a video.
Sandy Bridge graphics install fine with Windows 10, but it doesn't have full-support. I'm still in pending mode (haven't installed yet), and I'm waiting for future listings if I can win a 2015 i3-3245 for $25 that people forgot to bid.
 

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My impression is that he then re-sells these recent-mfg CPUs, on ebay, as "Intel 2016 CPU" or something like that.

Kind of like the sellers of "box PS4"... and then you just receive a box, for a PS4.

Why else would he repeatedly complain about unsatisfied buyers wanting to return his chips?

And why else would he have mentioned buying new old stock PCs, and then swapping CPUs to a lesser one?
Yep, that's what I'm thinking as well.
 

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Honestly, the only CPUs I ever resell are the Micro Center combos. FX-8320e all the time, A10-7700K, and i3-4370 previously. But I give up on what people say about me, and I learn to ignore them.

Ok, so that is where the boards come from.

Then these get stored 5 years (as you mentioned below) until the corporate world's business desktops get turned over at which time the used market sees an increase in used Core i5 processors.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...nufactured-date.2502992/page-10#post-38903386

Buy new board now, save it, buy CPU 5 years later

Then you take one of these used processors (or a Core i3) and build into a desktop.
 
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XavierMace

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But I give up on what people say about me, and I learn to ignore them.

That's because you've got a 12 page thread talking about obsolete processors and keep going on about depreciation value which only matters if you're selling things. You've flat out mentioned reselling things more than once. You've also made mention of buying multiple quantities of them which again, limited number of reasons to do that if you aren't selling them. So most of us are struggling to decide if you're for real and if so, what possible purpose you could have in buying multiple old low end processors that doesn't consist of trying to resell them. Because the only thing you've mentioned as far as usage goes is having 3 cars and needing one computer to keep in each one which is just as mind boggling as the main subject of this thread.
 
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As everyone can see, Intel's depreciation rate is never pretty. i5-4570 originally sold for $229.99. Buy at your own risk...
You could say the same about Taco Bell's depreciation rate, but then much like imitation Mexican food I don't buy it as an investment. You use it as needed and expel the waste when finished.

Then again, you probably could say buy Taco Bell at your own risk, so fair enough.
 

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So most of us are struggling to decide if you're for real and if so, what possible purpose you could have in buying multiple old low end processors that doesn't consist of trying to resell them.

If I am not mistaken the method he is using (or planning to use) is buy CPU and motherboard combo at Micro Center and then immediately sell CPU.

Wait 5 years and then buy late manufacture CPU to make into a CPU and motherboard combo again.

Then take this "new" CPU and motherboard combo and build into a PC for resale.
 

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I have at least 10 left to order on eBay, why would I resell them. I just purchased four new ECS H61H2-MV for $46 each after all eBay coupons and cashback apply from Ascendtech, same place where you got the FM1 boards. It's now $59.99 again.

And those boards have no SATA 6 Gbps or capability to use RAID.

That means the only choice is a single hard drive or SSD at 3 Gbps levels for OS.
 

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And those boards have no SATA 6 Gbps or capability to use RAID.

That means the only choice is a single hard drive or SSD at 3 Gbps levels for OS.
I'm fully aware of that, but H61 boards have the newest manufactured date.
 

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If I am not mistaken the method he is using (or planning to use) is buy CPU and motherboard combo at Micro Center and then immediately sell CPU.
That's correct. The boards are great price, I just want a cheaper CPU. I can't buy FX-4300 at Micro Center, only eBay.
 

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$46 shipped ECS H61 + $25 Core i3 2130

vs. $41 shipped ECS H81 + $35 Haswell Pentium G3220.

--So both combos are within $5 of each other.

--Both processors have the ~same single thread according to Passmark, but the Core i3 2130 has ~ 25% more multi-thread:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-2130+@+3.40GHz&id=755

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+G3220+@+3.00GHz

-- Haswell has lower idle power consumption

- Haswell G3220 has a stronger iGPU that also works with Windows 10.

--H81 has SATA 6 Gbps and usb 3.0, H61 does not.

(If these computers are going to be used heavily think the Sandy Bridge is giving up a lot just to save $5 and gain ~25% more multi-thread. Maybe one advantage would be 1080p 60 FPS Youtube....but I am not sure if a Core i3 2130 can really handle that well? As far as browsing goes, the extra 25% MT might help there now or sometime in the future....but then at the same time (on WIndows 10) you have no working iGPU driver and the browsers need that as well to do their work.)
 
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XavierMace

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FYI, I did buy one i3-2130 for $60 last year, but it already lost $30 in depreciation the next year. Worst CPU purchase I've made in my life, and my anger with Intel continues to grow. I'm trying to sell it for $37 if I'm lucky to find a buyer, and be done with it. Only $10 Sandy Bridge. This is my end of $30+ Intel purchase. I try to stay away looking at new Kaby Lakes as much as possible at Micro Center, as I know they will depreciate down to $10 anyways and mysteriously priced lower than FX-4300.

That's absolutely not true at all. Don't make me provide eBay proof if I decide to resell it for $169.99 shipped, and it will still sell. $84 means $79.99 plus tax, and this is the same price selling with new ASRock B250M-Pro4-M board. I'm not losing at all.

There's a big misunderstanding on what I do. I buy the older sockets only because they're more affordable and easier for me to install and use. I don't always like the slower speed in old sockets, of course. Certainly, I like all new stuff and love to own all new Kaby Lakes, but sometimes in life, I can't have everything in the world.

Honestly, the only CPUs I ever resell are the Micro Center combos. FX-8320e all the time, A10-7700K, and i3-4370 previously. But I give up on what people say about me, and I learn to ignore them.

If I am not mistaken the method he is using (or planning to use) is buy CPU and motherboard combo at Micro Center and then immediately sell CPU.

Wait 5 years and then buy late manufacture CPU to make into a CPU and motherboard combo again.

Then take this "new" CPU and motherboard combo and build into a PC for resale.

That's correct. The boards are great price, I just want a cheaper CPU. I can't buy FX-4300 at Micro Center, only eBay.

Maybe the reason you're "misunderstood" is because you change your story every few pages and no iteration of it has made any logical sense unless you're using the manufacturer date to sell these as "new" systems.
 

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My impression is that he then re-sells these recent-mfg CPUs, on ebay, as "Intel 2016 CPU" or something like that.

Kind of like the sellers of "box PS4"... and then you just receive a box, for a PS4.

Why else would he repeatedly complain about unsatisfied buyers wanting to return his chips?

And why else would he have mentioned buying new old stock PCs, and then swapping CPUs to a lesser one?
This is exactly what he's doing, that's the only reason he cares so much about the mfg date of items. It's a shame this scam actually seems to work for him.
 

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unless you're using the manufacturer date to sell these as "new" systems.

Or mostly new systems?

With that mentioned building computers (even ones with some used parts) is expensive.

I shudder to think how much money would be needed to build up a H61 Sandy Bridge Core i3 2130 when a new Acer Micro ATX pre-built with Core i5 7400, 8GB DDR4 2400, 1GB HDD, 300W PSU, Wondows 10 Home goes one sale for $400 shipped all the time.

Perhaps if there was a strong purpose other than basic use computer I could see the extra time, energy and money being spent worth it....but I didn't see that mentioned in this thread.

P.S. Speaking of "basic use computer" one problem (edit: older) DIY has (vs. most (edit: older business) pre-builts) is lack of display port* for the iGPU. So that means when 4K monitors drop in price he would have to add a dGPU to just to use the monitor at 60 Hz.

*Desktop Haswell Core i3 and greater are required for 4K @ 60 GHz through a single display port. (Ivy Bridge is supposed to work if two display ports are present on both the PC and the monitor)
 
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VirtualLarry

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P.S. Speaking of "basic use computer" one problem DIY has (vs. most pre-builts) is lack of display port. So that means when 4K monitors drop in price he would have to add a dGPU to just to use the monitor at 60 Hz.
That's true. I am so thankful that the DeskMini H110 units have a DP1.2 output, as well as HDMI1.4 and VGA. I am using it with a Club3D active adapter, to drive my 4K UHD TV at 60Hz. Although, with the Creator's Update, I can't get 4K60 YouTube VP9 videos to play at 60FPS any more. Now I'm wondering if I ever did, on these G4600 / HD 630 CPUs, or if I was always using a dGPU when I was watching 4K YouTube. (Was using my RX 460 initially, when I got my 4K displays, and a 7950 3GB card that would drive one at 30Hz.)
 

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That's true. I am so thankful that the DeskMini H110 units have a DP1.2 output, as well as HDMI1.4 and VGA.

Looking on Newegg I noticed 8 out of 42 H110 DIY boards have display port.....so that is an improvement over H81 where none of the 26 boards have Display port.

EDIT: fixed statement about display port in post #297.
 
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Here is the best case scenario (using prices from Newegg) I can think of for that ECS H61 Sandy Bridge build mentioned earlier.

(All prices below include shipping)

$46 ECS H61
$25 Core i3 2130
$50 DDR3 2 x 4GB (this happens to be DDR3 1600)
$50 1TB HDD
$20 (after rebate) Corsair CX430 -->https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026&ignorebbr=1
$22.50 (after 30 % off promo code) Rosewill FBM-01 Micro ATX case --> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123
$18 ASUS optical drive
$40 New, never been opened (ie, factory sealed) Windows 10 Pro system builder envelope from ebay.

Total $271.50
 
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