Intel have been secretly building Sandy Bridge CPUs as high as June 2015 manufactured date...

[Valantar]

Okay, decide to loosen up and order one new Gigabyte H81M-H LGA1150 board going for $29.99 AR on Newegg. Since the board's mfg. date is most likely made in mid-2016 or newer, the newest LGA1150 processor mfg. date I can find is a Celeron G1840T 2.50 GHz. It even has VN instead of Vietnam on top of die. Date code is X624, or June 2016, or 24th week of 2016.

Will it be too slow for me? Or should I wait for Celeron G1840 2.8 GHz? Unfortunately, I can't take a Celeron G1850 since they all have much older mfg. dates in 2014 instead. Newest mfg. date allows me to save money while cherry-picking better and slower CPU models.

Regardless of what Haswell model I choose and price up to Pentium G3470 max, my #1 goal is the find the "VN" on top of die as best as possible (not the one that says Vietnam, they're made prior to January 2016).

That chip should be very similar to your G850s, just at half the heat output.

And to repeat it for the nth time: manufacturing date for CPUs has no impact on longevity or performance. New steppings aren't introduced this late in the lifetime of the die, and degradation is nigh on nonexistent on even overclocked chips, let alone ones run at low stock clocks. If you're looking for good deals, simply buy the cheapest (working) one you can find of any given line.

 

[waltchan]

A new 2017 LGA1150 board doesn't deserve a used 2014 processor. I like to have the 2016 "VN". It's my preference.

 

[waltchan]

If I'm correct, all the new Skylake and Kaby Lake processors have "VN" stamped on die, right, if made in Vietnam? It'll be bizarre if I see a new "VN" Celeron G540, that would be sad, as it confuses people easily thinking it's a Kaby Lake.

 

[Valantar]

Do people make assumptions on the product family based on the markings for country of origin? I would never have considered looking at anything other than the model number for that... Not to mention that it uses a different socket than SKL and KBL.

 

[waltchan]

Okay, decide to loosen up and order one new Gigabyte H81M-H LGA1150 board going for $29.99 AR on Newegg. Since the board's mfg. date is most likely made in mid-2016 or newer, the newest LGA1150 processor mfg. date I can find is a Celeron G1840T 2.50 GHz. It even has VN instead of Vietnam on top of die. Date code is X624, or June 2016, or 24th week of 2016.

I decide to cancel this set-up because I was able to find a refurbished Biostar HiFI H61S3 board for nearly the same price after rebate as the Gigabyte H81M-H, after all taxes added to total (Newegg does charge CA sales tax, so this reduce my ability to buy newer sockets, unless I live in AZ or NV), plus I have a new $12 Celeron G540 that was pulled out from 2016-made POS system.

I save $28 for avoiding buying the newer $40 G1840. Based on price/performance ratio, I do better with this Biostar and G540 combo. The G540 is expected to depreciate a little further and bottom-out completely at $3.99 by 2020.

 

[waltchan]

Contrary to what everyone says here, the 2nd-hand LGA1155 boards market shipped from China are very pretty busy on eBay based on what I'm seeing. At just under $50, demand is almost 4 times higher than LGA1150, and I'm constantly deleting eBay listings that have been sold. Wow...

It may be possible there's a higher total number of population looking for LGA1155 instead of the new Kaby Lake you're all looking at.

 

[NTMBK]

Contrary to what everyone says here, the 2nd-hand LGA1155 boards market shipped from China are very pretty busy on eBay based on what I'm seeing. At just under $50, demand is almost 4 times higher than LGA1150, and I'm constantly deleting eBay listings that have been sold. Wow...

It may be possible there's a higher total number of population looking for LGA1155 instead of the new Kaby Lake you're all looking at.

Or the people buying new motherboards aren't buying them on eBay...?

 

[Valantar]

Or the people buying new motherboards aren't buying them on eBay...?

Not to mention that scarcity = a bigger chance of the ones you're watching being sold. But definitely your reason first and foremost.

Still, Waltchan, I admire your dedication to keeping these platforms alive. I just really wish you'd splurge on a better cpu from time to time. You'd appreciate it.

 

[LTC8K6]

Contrary to what everyone says here, the 2nd-hand LGA1155 boards market shipped from China are very pretty busy on eBay based on what I'm seeing. At just under $50, demand is almost 4 times higher than LGA1150, and I'm constantly deleting eBay listings that have been sold. Wow...

It may be possible there's a higher total number of population looking for LGA1155 instead of the new Kaby Lake you're all looking at.

You are all trying to sell them to each other.

 

[bigboxes]

I can't believe this is a thread.

 

[waltchan]

I know this for a long time, but Intel processors just don't hold their resale values as well as AMD. Period. End of story. You're next to die, Haswell users, get ready for 80% depreciation soon. Very, very scary, I originally appraise Core i3-3240 Ivy Bridge at $50-$60 range today, but instead they sell and start at $35 instead. I'm $15 off from my accurate calculation.

So, I've been looking at i3-2130 for nothing when i3-3240 costs only $5 more. Great... Intel always like to give me a run-around and poor excuse telling me all the wrong retail pricing that don't even worth their values in the first place, and my hard work looking for i3-2130s were all for nothing. It's never fun to take out a PC out from box, unpack, unscrew, switch parts, reinstall graphics driver, and etc.

You can buy a new 2015 i3-3240 for $120, but it lost $85 in depreciation 2 years later. That's WORSE than a 2011 AMD FX-4100 that's still selling for over $40, despite it's 3 years older and slower than i3-3240.

No, I'm not happy at all seeing all that, and I feel sorry for people with i3-3240 that already lost 70% of its value in just 2 years. Glad I know this dirty Intel secret, I've been disciplined even better to NEVER ever accept any Intel processor higher than $30 value from now on, regardless of model and speed.

I will always buy and invest in high-end AMDs, but never an Intel. Hello Ryzen... Goodbye Kaby Lake...

 

[NTMBK]

No, I'm not happy at all seeing all that, and I feel sorry for people with i3-3240 that already lost 70% of its value in just 2 years. Glad I know this sneaky story, I've been disciplined even better to NEVER ever accept any Intel processor higher than $30 value from now on, regardless of model and speed.

And how many % of its performance has it lost, hmm?

 

[waltchan]

And how many % of its performance has it lost, hmm?

The difference between i3-4160, which replaced i3-3240, for example, is so minimal performance gain, yet pricing is easily 3x more. The Haswell i3-4160 is indeed definitely overpriced for what you get in order to match the genuine and real i3-3240 pricing, based on performance/price ratio. If that's the case, Skylake i3-6100 should have been retailed for $59.99 in the first place to match the price/performance ratio with Ivy Bridge i3-3240. Intel have been indeed overcharging terribly for nothing that only worth 1/4 of value in first place.

FYI, I did buy one i3-2130 for $60 last year, but it already lost $30 in depreciation the next year. Worst CPU purchase I've made in my life, and my anger with Intel continues to grow. I'm trying to sell it for $37 if I'm lucky to find a buyer, and be done with it. Only $10 Sandy Bridge. This is my end of $30+ Intel purchase. I try to stay away looking at new Kaby Lakes as much as possible at Micro Center, as I know they will depreciate down to $10 anyways and mysteriously priced lower than FX-4300.

 

[NTMBK]

The difference between i3-4160, which replaced i3-3240, for example, is so minimal performance gain, yet pricing is easily 3x more. The Haswell i3-4160 is indeed definitely overpriced for what you get in order to match the genuine and real i3-3240 pricing, based on performance/price ratio. If that's the case, Skylake i3-6100 should have been retailed for $59.99 in the first place to match the price/performance ratio with Ivy Bridge i3-3240. Intel have been indeed overcharging terribly for nothing that only worth 1/4 of value in first place.

FYI, I did buy one i3-2130 for $60 last year, but it already lost $30 in depreciation the next year. Worst CPU purchase I've made in my life, and my anger with Intel continues to grow. I'm trying to sell it for $37 if I'm lucky to find a buyer, and be done with it. Only $10 Sandy Bridge. This is my end of $30+ Intel purchase. I try to stay away looking at new Kaby Lakes as much as possible at Micro Center, as I know they will depreciate down to $10 anyways and mysteriously priced lower than FX-4300.

Why do you keep buying and selling all these CPUs? They aren't going to start going up in value. You're throwing your money into a hole whenever you buy these CPUs just to sit on them for months and resell them later. Just buy a CPU when you actually need a CPU, and use it.

 

[waltchan]

Just buy a CPU when you actually need a CPU, and use it.

I'm indeed heading to AMD Ryzen after hearing the APUs maintain their selling value over 50% after 5 years. Intel Ivy Bridge went below 50% after less than 3 years. Haswell should be no exception, you're next to die and cry. No thank you. Hurts me emotionally.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'm indeed heading to AMD Ryzen after hearing the APUs maintain their selling value over 50% after 5 years. Intel Ivy Bridge went below 50% after less than 3 years. Haswell should be no exception, you're next to die and cry. No thank you. Hurts me emotionally.

There are no RyZen APUs out for you to have heard about, though. Even if they were out, resale value would still be unknown at this point.
The only 5 year old AMD APUs you might be talking about are Trinity and Richland, which are dogs in the CPU department as far as I remember. The graphics are not GCN, either. So they lack support. Hard to believe a Richland/Trinity APU is actually worth much these days.

 

[escrow4]

The difference between i3-4160, which replaced i3-3240, for example, is so minimal performance gain, yet pricing is easily 3x more. The Haswell i3-4160 is indeed definitely overpriced for what you get in order to match the genuine and real i3-3240 pricing, based on performance/price ratio. If that's the case, Skylake i3-6100 should have been retailed for $59.99 in the first place to match the price/performance ratio with Ivy Bridge i3-3240. Intel have been indeed overcharging terribly for nothing that only worth 1/4 of value in first place.

FYI, I did buy one i3-2130 for $60 last year, but it already lost $30 in depreciation the next year. Worst CPU purchase I've made in my life, and my anger with Intel continues to grow. I'm trying to sell it for $37 if I'm lucky to find a buyer, and be done with it. Only $10 Sandy Bridge. This is my end of $30+ Intel purchase. I try to stay away looking at new Kaby Lakes as much as possible at Micro Center, as I know they will depreciate down to $10 anyways and mysteriously priced lower than FX-4300.

I feel like I've been read into a tech k-hole . . . . .

 

[waltchan]

Hard to believe a Richland/Trinity APU is actually worth much these days.

I'm not surprised at all. I already know for a long time AMD processors hold their resale value better than Intel in the long-run. Even a 2006 Sempron AM2 Manila worth $2 more than Pentium 4.

 

[XavierMace]

Because AMD takes 5 years to release something new.

 

[Valantar]

The reason why AMD APUs are "holding their resale value" is because they've
a) only been selling low-end and mid-range chips to begin with
b) not been competitive in terms of CPU performance nor showing any real gains per generation
c) been using compatible sockets for a long, long time.

Now, c) is a very, very good thing, which they've pledged to keep doing with AM4 (which they've said is the platform du jour until at least 2020), but it won't keep resale values from dropping if generational performance gains trend upwards, or they start competing in higher price ranges (which they will, given how great Ryzen is). As such, if AMD has any "advantage" in more stable resale prices, it's going to go away in the coming years. And that, after all, is a good thing: more bargains for price-conscious consumers looking at used parts, better performance available in said used parts, and a clear upgrade path even if buying used.

 

[waltchan]

Just scored two Celeron G465s 1.9GHz for $7 shipped each. I'm getting there, that's 90% depreciation already covered. 100% depreciation usually bottoms out at $3.50 shipped each, doesn't matter what model and speed, including slowest Pentium 4.

 

[waltchan]

Can this February 2016 (L605) Pentium G850 be saved and repaired? I found this on eBay this morning (item # 292089755929)? What a shame, it even has the latest "MY" at top instead of "MALAY" to match with Skylake's die-processing, you can see how new and high-tech it is.

Now, what happened to the machine after 1/2 year, assuming it was purchased on summer 2016?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Can this February 2016 (L605) Pentium G850 be saved and repaired? I found this on eBay this morning (item # 292089755929)? What a shame, it even has the latest "MY" at top instead of "MALAY" to match with Skylake's die-processing, you can see how new and high-tech it is.

Now, what happened to the machine after 1/2 year, assuming it was purchased on summer 2016?

Looks like somebody dropped a heat sink on it, and it landed corner first. Not much you can do about that.

 

[mikeymikec]

Looks like somebody dropped a heat sink on it, and it landed corner first. Not much you can do about that.

Is the outer cover really that fragile? I don't see any reason why a heavy-duty HSF would be anywhere near that CPU, so that ought to bring us back to the stock cooler or thereabouts. Having said that, I would be surprised if that dent had any impact on the die, so the CPU probably works fine.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Is the outer cover really that fragile? I don't see any reason why a heavy-duty HSF would be anywhere near that CPU, so that ought to bring us back to the stock cooler or thereabouts. Having said that, I would be surprised if that dent had any impact on the die, so the CPU probably works fine.

So somebody slipped with a screwdriver?

Either way, you'd probably need to delid to see if any damage got through the TIM. That heatspreader's never going to be perfectly flat anyway.