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VirtualLarry

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I don't see the point. A 2017 G850 is going to perform exactly the same as a 2011 G850. What difference does manufacturing date make?
It doesn't make a difference... unless, you're selling a PC, and claiming "that the CPU is only a year old".

Maybe in mfg, but not in technology.
 
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lolfail9001

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Please do not respond saying why buy old rubbish. We know that already. Answer the question. Thanks.
Still, though, why?
Besides, if you really want to i bet you can find 2017 made Ivy Bridges or something silly like that.
 

waltchan

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The Lenovo OEM boards Burpo pointed out sound like a good deal with HDMI out included. OEM boards are always a little cheaper, and I even have one Lenovo LGA1155 parts lying around.
 

waltchan

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Walt, get help.
Computing should be free privilege. Nobody should be paying $300 CPUs each time. It also helps you keep life more simple and less materialistic. I like it...
 
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waltchan

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Still, though, why?
Besides, if you really want to i bet you can find 2017 made Ivy Bridges or something silly like that.
I buy some Ivy Bridge if I need them, like Pentium G2130. But I rather stay with Sandy Bridge as it will always give me the best bang for my buck with highestr depreciation, plus the manufacturing date is newer. Currently, there are no Ivy Bridge POS systems being sold yet, so they're all 2014 and older. Maybe in the future.
 
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mikeymikec

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Computing should be free privilege. Nobody should be paying $200 CPUs each time. It also helps you keep life more simple and less materialistic. I like it...
If you're buying less powerful and aged CPUs for the average uses of a desktop, you'll end up buying such processors more often. Then factor in the platform replacement cost and it doesn't really make any sense IMO. The computers I build tend to last 8-12 years before customers want a replacement (usually for performance reasons), at which point it makes a heck of a lot more sense to go for a CPU that's practically going to last that course. These days my minimum recommended CPU is a proper Pentium (not a J range type or anything like that) or an i3 if they have the budget (they usually do). Admittedly I'm wondering whether the i3 is a good long-term choice; I suppose it's a dual core with a bit of extra oomph. I shall see in about 6 years I guess (I went from Ph2 gen to Sandy Bridge for most of my builds).
 

waltchan

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If you're buying less powerful and aged CPUs for the average uses of a desktop, you'll end up buying such processors more often. Then factor in the platform replacement cost and it doesn't really make any sense IMO. The computers I build tend to last 8-12 years before customers want a replacement (usually for performance reasons), at which point it makes a heck of a lot more sense to go for a CPU that's practically going to last that course. These days my minimum recommended CPU is a proper Pentium (not a J range type or anything like that) or an i3 if they have the budget (they usually do). Admittedly I'm wondering whether the i3 is a good long-term choice; I suppose it's a dual core with a bit of extra oomph. I shall see in about 6 years I guess (I went from Ph2 gen to Sandy Bridge for most of my builds).
What's your opinion with i5-2400? I plan to pick some up when they depreciate down to less than $20 shipped. I also estimate i7-2600 to bottom-out at $30 shipped after 2020. I assume a new 2020 i7-2600 will last for 8-12 years, right, since it's 8-threads? Plus with SSD drive and SATA III with B75 chipset. Priceless... They run excellent for Windows 10 fine, and even upcoming Windows 12 should not be an issue.

My only concern is just the motherboard reliability and used status. Every other components I can still get new, including CPU pulled out from new POS systems they don't want.
 
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mikeymikec

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Are you talking about for the average uses of a PC (eg. browsing, music/video/image storage/playback, office apps, browser gaming)? If so, an i7 is like a ferrari to pop down to the shops: It's total overkill. I have a spare first-gen i7 PC but I can't imagine ever selling it to my typical customers because it's huge, eats power and frankly many more modern processors do better at single-threaded tasks. An i5 sandy is probably a pretty good choice for someone with the average needs and who might branch out - if it's not too late by then for that cpu. But bear in mind in say 2 years time an i5 sandy is going to look like a first-gen i5 does now.

I would only buy a used mobo as an emergency measure. I don't buy cheap boards either, simply because they're the part that is a make-or-break failure for an aged PC: If it dies at say six years or older, it quickly becomes a question of "should I just be replacing the whole thing", because for all you know the board in question was later found to have a long-term reliability issue. Pretty much every other component in a PC that age is an obvious candidate for repairing the PC rather than replacing it, unless the customer's needs have moved on significantly since the PC was built.

I just replaced my wife's G620 with a 2550k I got off ebay. The way that she uses her PC now (ie. she uses her phone as her primary device now), I suspect that the only reason that we'll be replacing that PC is when it dies, as I also took the opportunity to upgrade it to Win10 with an SSD. If I had left it on a G620 even with Win10 and an SSD, that CPU is unquestionably going to show its age with a standard browsing workload in the next few years, if it doesn't already; all it needs is for Windows Update or say a background scan to consume a core, then the other one will be overloaded with browsing work.
 

waltchan

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Right now, I'm liking the 3.5 times lower price of a used i7-2600 vs. new i7-7700 reported on eBay, and benchmark difference is 8,228 vs. 10,951. That's only 25.5% improvement with Kaby Lake and 350% higher price. How terrible... So, a new 2020 i7-2600 is a better value here. I think Sandy Bridge is all I need for the rest of my life, and eventually I end up with i7-2600 by 2022.
 

waltchan

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Just received all of the 2015 G540 and G850s I ordered in mail today. Beautiful...

G540: L538
G850: L518, L518, L524.

Installing one of May 2015 Pentium G850 2.9GHz, which replaces a October 2012 Pentium G870 3.1GHz I don't like much, and sell back at higher price.
 
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It doesn't make a difference... unless, you're selling a PC, and claiming "that the CPU is only a year old".

Maybe in mfg, but not in technology.
He's never resold a PC, though. Except he also needs these CPUs urgently.

Don't think about it too hard.
 

waltchan

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He's never resold a PC, though. Except he also needs these CPUs urgently.

Don't think about it too hard.
That's right. Since 2014 or so when I first complained with the high-prices of used Sandy Bridge processors (always above $30, even with G460), my dream finally comes today, and G460 starts at $10 or less. Now I'm more busy than ever upgrading old LGA775s and AM2. Many Pentium dual-cores are now less than $18 shipped. I paid $14 each for this 2015 G850. Computing should be nearly free-privilege, that's one of my religious beliefs.
 
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NTMBK

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Computing should be free privilege. Nobody should be paying $300 CPUs each time. It also helps you keep life more simple and less materialistic. I like it...

Bullshit. If you wanted simple and less materialistic, you wouldn't spend your life on eBay obsessing over pieces of silicon. You would have a cheap laptop shoved in the back of a cupboard for the rare occasions you need it, and get on with living your life.
 

waltchan

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So, I'm typing on this with G850, very identical performance to G645. Intel claims 2.9 GHz G850 is more advanced and newer technology than 3.1 GHz G870. Who knows why...
 
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XavierMace

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I said nothing about LGA775. E5504's are $9. If you want to "go crazy" L5640's are $25. I just gave away a dozen assorted Nehalem EP and Westmere EP processors.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/47926,53491,53416,37096

$25 gets you 6x the threads, 4-6x the cache, faster bus, and lower TDP.

So, I'm typing on with G850, very identical performance to G645. Intel claims 2.9 GHz G850 is more advanced and newer technology than 3.1 GHz G870. Who knows why...

I don't know how to respond to that other than LOL.
 

waltchan

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I said nothing about LGA775. E5504's are $9. If you want to "go crazy" L5640's are $25. I just gave away a dozen assorted Nehalem EP and Westmere EP processors.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/47926,53491,53416,37096

$25 gets you 6x the threads, 4-6x the cache, faster bus, and lower TDP.



I don't know how to respond to that other than LOL.
I consider LGA1156 a primitive and early-technology not yet ready for Windows 10 due to lack of parts availability. LGA1155 was the first Intel socket to adopt optional secure-boot technology, which later became standard in all LGA1150 boards. So, Sandy Bridge is the absolute minimum requirement to get secure boot function, plus Windows 12 ready and beyond.
 
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Sheep221

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I consider LGA1156 a primitive and early-technology not yet ready for Windows 10 due to lack of parts availability. LGA1155 was the first Intel socket to adopt optional secure-boot technology, which later became standard in all LGA1150 boards. So, Sandy Bridge is the absolute minimum requirement to get secure boot function, plus Windows 12 ready and beyond.
Windows 12?
 
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