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Lifer
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Does anyone feel like it may be time for Intel to have 3 separate architectures? server/consumer/mobile? I genuinely feel like they're shooting themselves in the foot here.

I dunno. Server workloads have been "scaling out" for years, using more and more cores as they become available. As such Intel's efficiency drive which lets them squeeze Haswell into tablets is also letting them fit more and more cores within a given server TDP budget.

The only people shafted by a focus on efficiency over single-threaded performance are gamers, and even there games are getting better at multithreading.
 

guskline

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If the OPs post is accurate, you begin to see the affectson the mobile market on Intel even on the high end. Haswell's real focus has been energy saving vs performance increase. It will be interesting to see what Haswell-E bring to the table.
 

mrmt

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Does anyone feel like it may be time for Intel to have 3 separate architectures? server/consumer/mobile? I genuinely feel like they're shooting themselves in the foot here.

Why that? Because a shrinking market (desktops) is not perfectly served? Core and Atom are doing very well on the server market and in mobile and the money is in those market. If these architectures are not suited for a given market that would be desktops, but this is a dying market, not even AMD wants it, let alone Intel.
 

Pheesh

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it can be fake but,

one reason would be, making sure it's not faster than the 60x part... not even for ST... so the 4960X would be absolutely the fastest 2011 i7...


anyway, it's a shame that the $1K part still have 5MB and 2 cores (or more?) disabled.

It's based off of a 6 core die so no cores are disabled
 

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It's based off of a 6 core die so no cores are disabled

I had assumed as much, but do we have any written confirmation of die sizes yet? (It fits the SB-E pattern of a 4-core and an 8-core, though- add 50% to both die sizes.)
 

ruhtraeel

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I don't understand, why are they're going backwards in speed?

The 4820k, 4930k, and 4960X all have slower peak speeks than the 3820, 3930k and 3960X. Why release CPU's slower than the ones you're replacing?


Ugh...I guess this is what we have to deal with when there's no competition.

/RIP PC

Because temperature.

Temperatures since Sandy Bridge have been steadily rising, most likely both due to performance as well as Intel being cheap.
 

NTMBK

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Because temperature.

Temperatures since Sandy Bridge have been steadily rising, most likely both due to performance as well as Intel being cheap.

Rising at the high end, but falling at the low end- 22nm is tuned for mobile parts, not high clocks.
 

ShintaiDK

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Because temperature.

Temperatures since Sandy Bridge have been steadily rising, most likely both due to performance as well as Intel being cheap.

Speeds are not going down, Check the real chart.

Speeds(both turbo and baseclock) are going up for same TDP. Speed the same for lower TDP. IPC increases as well.
 

Rvenger

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Still mehh overall though. More of the same... what ever you call it.
 

pelov

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Itanium, Haswell, Knights Ferry, Atom? How many more does Intel need? Getting rather segmented already.

The Itanic sank long ago, IDC. Intel has been making sure of that by slowly poking holes in the hull

I wouldn't count Knights Ferry a CPU architecture. That's more of a co-processor architecture for HPC, serving (roughly) the same purpose as the high-end GPUs for GPGPU.

Haswell is the kicker here. I just see a diminishing role for their big core architectures in PCs if Intel is just going to try to cram it in to lower TDPs. All-in-ones, despite selling better now than at any time in the history of the PC, still make up for a small fraction of sales. The core architecture is still being designed for both the consumer and server space, but I see that gap widening quite a bit as things move forward. If Intel maintain focus on Atom development, the majority of consumers would be better off with that instead.

The upgrade cycle has been extended and people just don't need all of that processing power anymore. If they're going to focus on the traditional server space, I just think it would be beneficial to separate the traditional server and PC/workstation lines. I mean, how much L3 does a gamer or regular PC user need? And if we're only going to see incremental bumps in performance and longer upgrade cycles, there's most definitely going to be an overlap.
 

moonbogg

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So this is coming out September? I guess that means the last minute of the last day in September naturally. Sick of this stagnant crap. This thing OCs like absolute hell or i'm taking up fishing or something.
 
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So this is coming out September? I guess that means the last minute of the last day in September naturally. Sick of this stagnant crap. This thing OCs like absolute hell or i'm taking up fishing or something.

Better get your bait and pole ready I am afraid.
 

Ajay

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Yeah, Intel spent along time perfecting it's FinFet Tri-gate processes, but clearly they were optimizing for lower power consumption (even with the HP process) and not higher clocks (Mark Bohr already stated this, IIRC) - so this is what they get. With no competition, this is also what we get.

Again, as has been mentioned (in various threads), 32nm may well be the pinnacle of clock speeds for modern processors for some time.
 

Idontcare

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The Itanic sank long ago, IDC. Intel has been making sure of that by slowly poking holes in the hull

Not disagreeing with you, my point was just to say that if you look at Intel's multi-faceted microarchitecture efforts it isn't like they aren't trying.

Intel's (and AMD's) turbo-core/boost approach would have really delivered something the customer's want if they had actually implemented in silicon what they all talked up in powerpoint:



If we really got a single-core that clocked itself so high as to truly command the entire available TDP headroom then we'd be feeling far more "enthusiastic" about these YoY CPU rollouts IMO. :\

Because temperature.

Temperatures since Sandy Bridge have been steadily rising, most likely both due to performance as well as Intel being cheap.

There is a graph around here somewhere, I forget who crafted it otherwise I'd search for it, that shows the extrapolation of drive current versus operating voltage for both 32nm and 22nm and it shows the 22nm curve flattens out in such a way that we ought to expect 32nm to be superior to 22nm in the high-clock regime.

And that is what we see, even with delidded IB's put on vaporphase or LN2 where temperature is not the issue, getting an IB to clock as high as a SB is basically a no-go unless you got yourself a dud of a SB or a golden IB sample.

Yeah, Intel spent along time perfecting it's FinFet Tri-gate processes, but clearly they were optimizing for lower power consumption (even with the HP process) and not higher clocks (Mark Bohr already stated this, IIRC) - so this is what they get. With no competition, this is also what we get.

Again, as has been mentioned (in various threads), 32nm may well be the pinnacle of clock speeds for modern processors for some time.

Definitely engineered for the goals Intel had, which was to enable a die shrink that gave them the ability to economically pack more cores onto their XEON chips as well as lowering the power consumption to enable them to get into the mobile markets.
 

exar333

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Purchased the i7 920 on launch day, 11/08 and had it for 3 years. Grabbed SB-E 3930K on launch day 11/11 and have loved that too.

Look's like no viable upgrade for another year and a half almost...:/

On the plus side, could not be happier with my purchase decisions for longevity...
 

RaistlinZ

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Hell, I'm still on my i7-930. I think the 3930K is going to last people a good many years still.

That said, longevity has been good only because Intel is giving us crappy 4% performance increases with each new CPU.

I want to upgrade to a mainstream 8-core chip, but it seems it'll be 2015-16 before that will become a reality.
 
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ShintaiDK

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So this is coming out September? I guess that means the last minute of the last day in September naturally. Sick of this stagnant crap. This thing OCs like absolute hell or i'm taking up fishing or something.

14th september if I recall right.
 

Nothingness

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There is a graph around here somewhere, I forget who crafted it otherwise I'd search for it, that shows the extrapolation of drive current versus operating voltage for both 32nm and 22nm and it shows the 22nm curve flattens out in such a way that we ought to expect 32nm to be superior to 22nm in the high-clock regime.
Are you thinking of figure 2 from David Kanter article about Intel 22nm?
 

Idontcare

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Yeah, but someone around here (and I feel really bad about not remembering their name since they obviously did good technical work that merits proper recognition ) went one step further and actually extrapolated those lines to show that out around our typical OC over-voltages (1.4V'ish) we would expect 32nm to have lower gate delay than 22nm.
 

pelov

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Intel's (and AMD's) turbo-core/boost approach would have really delivered something the customer's want if they had actually implemented in silicon what they all talked up in powerpoint:

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If we really got a single-core that clocked itself so high as to truly command the entire available TDP headroom then we'd be feeling far more "enthusiastic" about these YoY CPU rollouts IMO.

I definitely agree with you, but with Intel focusing primarily on that ~20W area for their big core architectures, it's inevitable that anything above that and on the extreme end of the TDP spectrum (I can't believe 100W is now extreme...) is inevitably going to get shafted.

The Core i7-4650U turbos to 3.3/2.9ghz single/dual core respectively, while the 4770K can turbo to 3.9ghz. The ULV is only 15W TDP whereas the 4770K is sitting at a lofty 84W TDP. The turbo core implementations are working as intended, it's that the architecture and the process is mostly focused on providing as much performance as possible to the lower end of that TDP spectrum - Haswell was designed for sub-20W TDP.

It's not about the turbo, but about Intel sacrificing the desktop and even server lines in order to squeeze as much out of their architecture at the low TDPs, going so far as to build the core architecture with these devices/TDPs in mind. We're seeing the negative effects of that on the desktop side and it's only going to get worse. And the workstation/server segments aren't excluded either given Intel is using the same fabs and core architecture
 
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meloz

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Can anyone explain these two SKUs: i7-4930K and i7-3930K?

I see no big difference in cache size, frequencies, core/thread count, overclock segmentation (both are k) and TDP. No great difference in price as well. So why continue to sell two processors so close to each other? Stock clearance on the 3930K might come as an obvious answer, but then who would buy 3930K for higher price than 4930K?

Could it be that the 4930K is an overclocking disaster compared to 3930K?

Aside, I find it rather cheap how JW tried to justify Intel's slowdown-and-profit tactics with the large socket segment:
Jarred Walton said:
Bringing in Haswell-E would require moving to a new socket, violating the every socket has to stick around for two generations requirement in Xeon-land.

He makes it sound like some fundamental law of physics would be violated.

I would appreciate more honesty in Appletech articles, just say Intel have no competition in this arena and are making hay while the sun shines. Nothing wrong with that -even though we might not like it-, and it does not insult the reader's intelligence either.
 
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