Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Model	Code-Name	Date	TDP	Node	Tiles	Main Tile	CPU	LP E-Core	LLC	GPU	Xe-cores
Core Ultra 100U	Meteor Lake	Q4 2023	15 - 57 W	Intel 4 + N5 + N6	4	tCPU	2P + 8E	2	12 MB	Intel Graphics	4
?	Lunar Lake	Q4 2024	17 - 30 W	N3B + N6	2	CPU + GPU & IMC	4P + 4E	0	12 MB	Arc	8
?	Panther Lake	Q1 2026 ?	?	Intel 18A + N3E	3	CPU + MC	4P + 8E	4	?	Arc	12

Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

	Meteor Lake	Arrow Lake (20A)	Arrow Lake (N3B)	Lunar Lake	Panther Lake
Platform	Mobile H/U Only	Desktop Only	Desktop & Mobile H&HX	Mobile U Only	Mobile H
Process Node	Intel 4	Intel 20A	TSMC N3B	TSMC N3B	Intel 18A
Date	Q4 2023	Q1 2025 ?	Desktop-Q4-2024 H&HX-Q1-2025	Q4 2024	Q1 2026 ?
Full Die	6P + 8P	6P + 8E ?	8P + 16E	4P + 4E	4P + 8E
LLC	24 MB	24 MB ?	36 MB ?	12 MB	?
tCPU	66.48
tGPU	44.45
SoC	96.77
IOE	44.45
Total	252.15

Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake



As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

 

[511]

Intel unveils Core Ultra 200V "Lunar Lake" series, launching September 24th - VideoCardz.com

Intel announces Core Ultra 200V The first product within the new Core series, featuring brand-new CPU and GPU cores. Intel is launching its Core Ultra 200V “Lunar Lake” series today. This is Intel’s first product strictly aimed at the AI PC experience, although they are not yet fully eligible...

videocardz.com

If SPEC 1T numbers are right... Holy ****

they are using Intel Compiler for this so idk what to say David Huang will release the benchmark tomorrow that will give us a big idea

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

Regardless, Lunar Lake is seriously impressive.

 

[dullard]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-unveils-core-ultra-200v-lunar-lake-series-launching-september-24th

I guess the interpretation is that War Thunder is now the only valid benchmark?

 

[511]

event is live

 

[Hitman928]

Numbers look really good, hopefully they’re not pulling shady stuff like with the MTL launch. Even if it’s half true, though, that’d be a great result.

 

[dttprofessor]

Numbers look really good, hopefully they’re not pulling shady stuff like with the MTL launch. Even if it’s half true, though, that’d be a great result.

MTL is so good for intel ,but not so good for market.
I have a MTL laptop zenbook ,it's good for me.

 

[mikk]

Testing configuration is up here:

Intel® Core™ Ultra Processors (Series 2) - 1 | Performance Index

edc.intel.com

 

[Hitman928]

MTL is so good for intel ,but not so good for market.
I have a MTL laptop zenbook ,it's good for me.

MTL is a decent enough design, it’s just that Intel blatantly lied about the power consumption during their pre-launch performance preview so the actual product wasn’t near what their preview said it was.

 

[Saylick]

That is some LEGIT performance and efficiency claims, if true. As someone who has an Alderlake-U laptop for work, I would be thrilled to get this hunk of junk replaced with Lunar Lake.

 

[511]

https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2024/client-computing/Intel-Core-Ultra-Series-2-Media-Deck.pdf

 

[mikk]

Intel Core Ultra Series 2 (Lunar Lake) Performance Showcase Comparison

Ultra 9 configured with 30W, Ultra 7 with 17W (in Dota).

 

[cebri1]

Battery claims are very exciting.

 

[Hitman928]

Battery claims are very exciting.

Indeed. Hopefully independent reviews match the advertising. If so, LNL seems like a big winner. It's the type of chip I want in a laptop. I don't need 24 threads and AAA gaming, give me good low threaded performance, long battery life, and the ability to play some light games and I'm happy.

 

[LightningDust]

They must be using a realtime OS. Is it QNX or a heavily modified variant? How does one handle multiple cores in realtime? The communication latency needs to be really, really low between the cores to ensure quick response times.

QNX is rare as hens' teeth in defense things.

The most common platforms are Integrity, LynxOS, embedded Linux (not for real-time, of course) and sometimes VxWorks.

 

[ondma]

35 minutes.

Who cares? Please, Intel, give us a great desktop chip one of these days.

 

[Hitman928]

One thing I've seen that I don't think is right in Intel's comparison is that they list the Asus Zenbook S16 with the Ryzen HX 370 and the Asus Vivobook S15 with the X-Elite as having 1920x1080 screens but both have much higher res OLED screens. The Intel preview system is also listed as having a 1920x1080 screen and if that is true, it makes the system power / battery life comparisons not fair. I'm guessing it's a mistake for all 3, but I have no way of confirming. Did they mention the displays in any of the videos/streams?

Edit: It seems like for the Intel LNL Zenbook model, they are not consistent in listing the display spec and have it as a higher resolution display in other places, so most likely just marketing not doing a good job with the actual display specs.

 

[MS_AT]

One thing I've seen that I don't think is right in Intel's comparison is that they list the Asus Zenbook S16 with the Ryzen HX 370 and the Asus Vivobook S15 with the X-Elite as having 1920x1080 screens but both have much higher res OLED screens. The Intel preview system is also listed as having a 1920x1080 screen and if that is true, it makes the system power / battery life comparisons not fair. I'm guessing it's a mistake for all 3, but I have no way of confirming. Did they mention the displays in any of the videos/streams?

I am afraid it will be the usual look the specific device review to be sure. For example Asus Vivobook 14 with HX370 is having much better battery life than Zenbook S16 according to NBC https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...-of-the-Ryzen-AI-9-HX-370.880476.0.html#toc-7 is that only due to higher res screen on S16 or some other tweaks, hard to say without detailed testing.

Likewise here, Intel provided so many perf claims its hard to read all the footnotes, still its better than what AMD is doing nowadays

 

[cebri1]

17W seems to be the sweet spot efficiency wise.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

I am afraid it will be the usual look the specific device review to be sure. For example Asus Vivobook 14 with HX370 is having much better battery life than Zenbook S16 according to NBC https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...-of-the-Ryzen-AI-9-HX-370.880476.0.html#toc-7 is that only due to higher res screen on S16 or some other tweaks, hard to say without detailed testing.

Likewise here, Intel provided so many perf claims its hard to read all the footnotes, still its better than what AMD is doing nowadays

Could be refresh rate, resolution, display size (smaller pixel pitch means less energy for an OLED pixel I'd think?), AGESA/bios updates, windows/driver updates, or a combination of everything.

 

[igor_kavinski]

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Do you realize the implication of this slide? Intel is admitting here, "We sold a duck to you called Meteor Lake, suckers!".

 

[Hitman928]

Do you realize the implication of this slide? Intel is admitting here, "We sold a duck to you called Meteor Lake, suckers!".

MTL performance falls off a cliff at lower power levels, that's been well established for a while now.

 

[Philste]

One thing I've seen that I don't think is right in Intel's comparison is that they list the Asus Zenbook S16 with the Ryzen HX 370 and the Asus Vivobook S15 with the X-Elite as having 1920x1080 screens but both have much higher res OLED screens. The Intel preview system is also listed as having a 1920x1080 screen and if that is true, it makes the system power / battery life comparisons not fair. I'm guessing it's a mistake for all 3, but I have no way of confirming. Did they mention the displays in any of the videos/streams?

Zenbook S14 also has a 3K OLED. I also wondered why the footnotes say "Display Resolution". Probably just some Guys in marketing department confusing it with rendering resolution. At the end of the day, all these Asus devices should have a 3K OLED.

 

[511]

Do you realize the implication of this slide? Intel is admitting here, "We sold a duck to you called Meteor Lake, suckers!".

It's still better than 12/13 gen H series with better graphics better power draw it's at low power level it sucks i have one and it is fine i upgraded from a 8250u btw the thing is phoenix is better at lower power levels and in temrs of BL both are on par from the reviews it was hyped too much and the P cores were not improved at all outside of few instructions

 

[dullard]

There's a reason why Dell still had LNL in 2026 as an option for the preimum mobile SKU.

Oh noes, Dell put Lunar Lake in the XPS 13 way before that 2026 leak claimed! 15 months too early. https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/intel-core-ultra-series-2-comes-to-the-dell-xps-13

 

[511]

Oh noes, Dell put in Lunar Lake in the XPS 13 way before that 2026 leak claimed! 15 months too early. https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/intel-core-ultra-series-2-comes-to-the-dell-xps-13

The Dell slideshow was a mess 🤣